From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GnuTLS for W32 Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 15:50:40 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87vcosskhc.fsf@wanadoo.es> <831urgr2yr.fsf@gnu.org> <87r4zgsh2w.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87ipks3zbo.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87boqk3q69.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87aa634st8.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fwfvsgfv.fsf@wanadoo.es> <877h17scdo.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87hb0b77nr.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8739bvs27m.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87ty4b4329.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87hb0b3yoe.fsf@lifelogs.com> <6ED011D5-E185-44C6-BB31-A445A4E5F83A@gmail.com> <87wr976otx.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87ipkq6yy5.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1325775104 29301 80.91.229.12 (5 Jan 2012 14:51:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:51:44 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 05 15:51:40 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RiofL-0005gc-6L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 15:51:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53397 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RiofK-0003wO-LW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 09:51:38 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:49617) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Riof9-0003vw-63 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 09:51:36 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Riof4-0000Bd-QT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 09:51:27 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.160.41]:55967) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Riof4-0000BW-Jc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 09:51:22 -0500 Original-Received: by pbdd2 with SMTP id d2so611846pbd.0 for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 06:51:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Uaby1lO5eBtdRfqwE4H2OdE85CLCrkb4p41owZHJHA8=; b=jeZC5cWJHxhYkVwuqRBXKZNgHhhDmyBHjeGtRs3hR7nLu2GDbDGNa861ffCF5b4zPt EYEfZ6olojHdFeu+4VUcw//gP5BRsqf38IjLhW8MIPo5sdGrk51YIhjWKouCP0r0F3qg d/3EOotuTqGrc6iChfte+vTiIUIIP50cpWiC8= Original-Received: by 10.68.141.42 with SMTP id rl10mr536140pbb.91.1325775081190; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 06:51:21 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.142.247.28 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 06:50:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87ipkq6yy5.fsf@lifelogs.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.160.41 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147344 Archived-At: 2012/1/5 Ted Zlatanov : > You're right. =C2=A0Do you agree with the general idea of checking for > critical updates on startup, though? FWIW, I don't. That is a step (tiny, I know) in the "software as a service" direction. > I think the risk of providing out-of-date libxml2 or libxpm is much > smaller than providing out-of-date GnuTLS. If we don't provide GnuTLS libraries, the risk of providing out-of-date ones is zero. >=C2=A0So while I understand your > concern about this slippery slope, I think we can resist it, and regular > releases can address the general need for updates. Why? We're not a binary shop. Why go that route? > Combining (4) and (2) seems most convenient for the users: they will > have a single installer for all of Emacs (a convenience that goes beyond > this thread), and they'll get notified on all platforms when GnuTLS is > out of date. Does that mean that my Emacs is going to automatically try to establish a network connection without asking me? Or that I'm gonna be asked every time? =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Juanma