From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GnuTLS for W32 Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 02:13:10 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87vcosskhc.fsf@wanadoo.es> <831urgr2yr.fsf@gnu.org> <87r4zgsh2w.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87ipks3zbo.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87boqk3q69.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87aa634st8.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fwfvsgfv.fsf@wanadoo.es> <877h17scdo.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87hb0b77nr.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8739bvs27m.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87ty4b4329.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87hb0b3yoe.fsf@lifelogs.com> <6ED011D5-E185-44C6-BB31-A445A4E5F83A@gmail.com> <87wr976otx.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87ipkq6yy5.fsf@lifelogs.com> <3FB40138-C766-4A45-8E5A-4E404449995E@gmail.com> <546D7C22-520D-46A9-8AA1-9D33CF2F6782@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1325812442 7326 80.91.229.12 (6 Jan 2012 01:14:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 01:14:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: chad Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 06 02:13:58 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RiyNZ-0001Fu-MU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 02:13:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38466 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RiyNY-0001w6-VW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 20:13:56 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:48701) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RiyNV-0001vc-Hj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 20:13:54 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RiyNU-0004er-DJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 20:13:53 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com ([209.85.210.41]:39832) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RiyNT-0004el-Ug for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 20:13:52 -0500 Original-Received: by dakl33 with SMTP id l33so1006325dak.0 for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 17:13:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=iL57UAVK53DXgRNv3V7k8xNtCTEWACSQbpbYjlUduWY=; b=boVQcSHGbK24xqBo21BKXMuafpF66uOimwMaijBUDjbosB+6rtshKvkixedb1AqDoq MeWAo+ImYDzjZ4Bppg0OrNzpKMlqD59mw4nh/eC1gMYSvsKpT9XNQAB1IWV5LzTueilr ZIQ+f1ptAFL4hBnvvhBhDyzOaO4jyZsuh9lCc= Original-Received: by 10.68.73.165 with SMTP id m5mr10324239pbv.108.1325812431156; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 17:13:51 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.142.247.28 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 17:13:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <546D7C22-520D-46A9-8AA1-9D33CF2F6782@gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.210.41 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147378 Archived-At: On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 02:05, chad wrote: > DropBox updates itself without telling you: > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0How do I upgrade to the latest version of the = Dropbox application? > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[...] Dropbox will silently update itself in t= he background. No. DropBox tells that, but it is false. This morning I had to manually upgrade it. Apparently it auto upgrades just for very minor changes, but not to pass from 1.1.X to 1.2.X. The same happens, for example, with ESET Smart Security: it updates the engine for minor changes, but when they switched from release 4 to release 5, it didn't even warn me. > LibreOffice has automatic updates: Not enabled by default: "Online Update is a module that can be selected or deselected to be installed. Choose the customized installation in the Setup of LibreOffice." > Bazaar tells you to use your package manager (although not on Windows): I'm glad we agree. > I stopped looking there. Please, continue. > To be clear: I'm asking you why you object to an easily-disabled system t= hat checks for the existence of updates deemed critical by a human being I don't object to that. I object to that being part of Emacs. By all means, build an installer for GnuTLS and put all automatic checking you want on it. Make it part of the Windows startup if you want. But don't make Emacs connect to Internet every time it starts just to check that yes, that GnuTLS that you are not really using for anything at all is still safe to use (or ignore). =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Juanma