From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: display-buffer-alist simplifications Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 14:02:07 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87mxgem09k.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4E2A7EBD.7050300@gmx.at> <87livooqt6.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4E2B158B.1080101@gmx.at> <87wrf8iyse.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4E2BEED2.5040608@gmx.at> <8739hvu6lh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4E2C50E6.3020103@gmx.at> <878vrnweju.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4E2D34D7.4040002@gmx.at> <87r55cjvef.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1311768185 412 80.91.229.12 (27 Jul 2011 12:03:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 12:03:05 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 27 14:03:01 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qm2pH-0004QA-RM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 14:03:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47223 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qm2pH-0002iX-3W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 08:02:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:37720) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qm2pC-0002g0-6i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 08:02:58 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qm2p7-00032h-BQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 08:02:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-gy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.160.169]:63973) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qm2p7-00032c-8r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 08:02:49 -0400 Original-Received: by gyg13 with SMTP id 13so1146904gyg.0 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 05:02:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1/uFNZ0SSU/B7fWqdVYzrQ3X5QaXA0gDAplbvjViMEE=; b=SZ+a3fRzqmmC6grDOJmryZca/SDD4BTs81hiStGt/ofHf/keagsDxK1GbdSGttIUU1 2KOGK8qQ0G5L+LRo2XX+f+v+Xq1deYVSJQr3o5+mDvc0pXenBjFLY0MMssvZysCvEGfG JrrpEIs5EcUxJC2KX1S5aa52D72/6epp1nhxE= Original-Received: by 10.142.13.3 with SMTP id 3mr4580277wfm.239.1311768168174; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 05:02:48 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.142.143.6 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 05:02:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.160.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:142381 Archived-At: On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 13:30, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wro= te: > Developing in a separate branch seems to have been successful for Eli's > bidi work, so I think it varies. Honestly, we don't yet know if it has worked for Eli's bidi changes, because `bidi-display-reordering' still defaults to nil. Once we switch it and start getting bug reports. or not, we'll see. Note that I'm not talking about the easyness of developing in a separate branch, or the convenience of adding a lot of related changes to the trunk as a single merge commit. These, I don't deny. I'm just wondering whether there are enough interested Emacs developers to really help testing anything big before it is committed to the trunk. That said, I think Eli's bidi is a huge amount of work and he's been very thourough, and if I had to bet, I'd bet on bidi integration being a success. But IIUC, the gist of it is, if you don't use bidi, you *shouldn't* see anything different. It should just work like before. Martin's changes weren't so clear-cut. They affect something that everybody uses, and which wasn't really well defined and easy to set up in previous Emacsen. He's solving a problem with, from my outside point of view, has a lower implementation complexity that bidi, but a higher UI complexity. (Now, excuse me if I run before Eli's got hold of his stone-engraved copy of UAX#9...) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Juanma