From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Speeding up Emacs load time Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 16:51:01 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87r4ezdiiy.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <87r4ez92ry.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <87txjv7gen.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <26142f86-cacf-40a9-a101-fc8a37818347@googlegroups.com> <8738re4z9v.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <114180ff-1a9a-433a-8420-a53c1676735b@googlegroups.com> <87wqoqmd5p.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <87ehaykloy.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <8738rdly91.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <87sizd8u6y.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <871u6urgy0.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1374245523 26740 80.91.229.3 (19 Jul 2013 14:52:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 14:52:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs Help List To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 19 16:52:05 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V0C2O-0000QT-MM for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 16:52:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50616 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V0C2O-0003EJ-B0 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 10:52:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48092) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V0C25-00039K-6e for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 10:51:47 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V0C23-0006by-OV for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 10:51:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ea0-x22f.google.com ([2a00:1450:4013:c01::22f]:49942) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V0C23-0006br-J1 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 10:51:43 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ea0-f175.google.com with SMTP id z7so2410406eaf.6 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 07:51:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=KMEGsxwST+PTpAfzCEOdNOCxAlk6Heu13CEk3f33JnE=; b=c9vM+wZtd4KHt6arjNTFzDnMpXk1huQNP9WA4NugfIBwDUDMynF8lmPnmO2QNc5/Nx 9y+0GcQPdx0bgmfcqFCVkan1lMjvcpE741e01Oy2DZaUleBhjUih4iehc7vDo4qbbk5l 2pwoLDujd6i+iznmw2fGbfxrvv98eBoYETXarptCx/KWx8s0wJTfSEC4W9wqQNr3j+J6 v4uCGeOKsXZ93GrAlo8BJAOKtBMDDR6mpY7dn29Gh9eAGYD2QzUXsbVrW78p1uKfXcDN ORHNENnXroMACDigXwjKcx7TicorHFkBCD+Fy/rAKiYe1tdsG2WiV2cLQjOTeUPXvA23 +j9w== X-Received: by 10.14.4.70 with SMTP id 46mr16075049eei.42.1374245502803; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 07:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.14.142.4 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 07:51:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <871u6urgy0.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4013:c01::22f X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:92253 Archived-At: On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote: > And this is the case with all PLs, to various degrees. It is not > really a matter of intelligence. I don't think I've ever mentioned intelligence in this thread... > I like Ada a lot! Great for concurrent and/or RT programming. Not > a lot of people know Ada, though. And I know why: it was developed > by the US military :) Not really. Its development was sponsored by the DoD, but the team(s) that created it (CII Honeywell Bull for Ada 80/83, Intermetrics for Ada 95) were from the industry. > I have much less experience with Ada than with C++, but what I saw > with Ada was straightforward. At this point, it is clear that I don't understand your definition of "straightforward", so there's not much point in continue arguing. For the definition of "straightforward" that I'm using, not even the designers and maintainers of Ada would call it so. > I'm looking to my experience. You can't do the same (look to *my* > experience), so I hold you at a disadvantage here. True. > If that makes it not straightforward, and you want it to be, why > don't you just not use those features? Believe me, I use C++ as little as possible. In my list of preferred "modern" languages, the only one that would score even worse is Java. J