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Raymond" , "Jordi \\1" , Daniel Colascione , Emacs developers To: Karl Fogel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 06 21:28:10 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W0GmM-0003ah-3E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 21:28:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37471 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0GmL-0003jT-Kc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:28:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33497) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0Glu-0003CK-3J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:27:39 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0Gls-0006Bz-AI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:27:38 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ee0-x22d.google.com ([2a00:1450:4013:c00::22d]:35796) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0Gls-0006Ah-1n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:27:36 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ee0-f45.google.com with SMTP id d49so7915789eek.18 for ; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 12:27:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=ZoGF/pVfbb7T7/YZ0klfoyqMizaW7vP8s+uYK1z5IMg=; b=eJm1TW2pAMTEL15NRDU/SQup13twj5nxVA0Y9YY/KBFDHnuYT0dxZic2AHhzWmudDc nQ5vh1RsMt1qTKd33LsUFhLTuiMpbfCgavijmUwznuOH68GLY3mr8b0jPD4y7Igkzb48 S3nnnxi6KXHANaWG0rJaR44pAM7BfV2TReJYd5eHQdI9cwsrHja2SJPAoYDJ7nQKROeF /Ap95Xe/cETtYfPIxN5OTMd239/E8Uqw9b4o8rOmVIG4S8ti5gvjlsRuw60zPxXe83QU dJ4CT/l7Zg6OWEoYz1HNcKS4lMMZE4F4uVCByhP7Wcnpq2rkYMWeql5v2BEiitxush9/ rwzA== X-Received: by 10.14.88.134 with SMTP id a6mr89240411eef.5.1389040055261; Mon, 06 Jan 2014 12:27:35 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.14.209.69 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Jan 2014 12:26:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <877gac27uk.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4013:c00::22d X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167517 Archived-At: On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:06 PM, Karl Fogel wrote: > Whether or not there are such people, did you see any of them > volunteering, the way ESR did? Why should someone volunteer for something that has *not* yet been decided, and that was proposed four days ago? Are you sure that no one would, given a little more time and a little more thought? (And no, I won't, because I don't have the desire or the technical expertise for that role, so no sour grapes here.) > ESR is just trying to get something done in a fairly typical way that we > try to get things done around here. He didn't "appoint himself" > technical director for the move -- he *volunteered* to do it, and when > no one else stepped forward volunteering the same, ESR proceeded on the > reasonable assumption that the responsibility was his. Oh, really? Reasonable? I know you have a lot of knowledge about how free/open source projects work (great book, BTW). Have you participated in many projects where someone who is not a regular contributor, or he is but hasn't been active for years, single-handledly assumed responsibility for something as important as a VCS switch and put a date to it, in four days? Because what you call "volunteering" I would call "trampling". > Maybe he's being a little pushy as to schedule (I agree the switchover > can wait until after the release) I'm happy to see that we can agree at least in two points. > but pushy isn't a sin -- in this case it may be a virtue :-) Why? I fail to see any virtue in being pushed. -- and it's quite clear that ESR isn't going to > argue if Stefan says to wait until after the freeze is over (or for > whatever reason). It's quite clear that Eric is not going to go forward without Stefan's consent. I wouldn't go to far as to say the he's not going to argue. J