From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GnuTLS for W32 Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 05:02:45 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87aa68dfao.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87ty4fbje8.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83ehvjs8t5.fsf@gnu.org> <87pqf3bcom.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83boqns68o.fsf@gnu.org> <87liprazr1.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83wr9bqez3.fsf@gnu.org> <87y5tr9dwv.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <87k45alwgb.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87fwfyltm1.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87boqmlrma.fsf@wanadoo.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1325477017 20333 80.91.229.12 (2 Jan 2012 04:03:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 04:03:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 02 05:03:33 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RhZ7V-0002UI-21 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 05:03:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59018 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RhZ7U-0008AL-IJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 23:03:32 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:43512) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RhZ7R-0008A2-6v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 23:03:30 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RhZ7Q-00011b-2J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 23:03:29 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.160.41]:42704) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RhZ7P-00011V-Sc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 23:03:28 -0500 Original-Received: by pbdd2 with SMTP id d2so10233724pbd.0 for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 20:03:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SVdR5l7CM6PVj6rP/Rj1uA27avLS9ISvt3LD1huRho4=; b=evc8huR8dxhnvAHWSFwzw2cPFXbmPAcPY9Vl2fasdJCZQ1xXtDpremfJwm59kpJC0N hXOr4jNWxYyFa0oFHpkIbgT/Lkwzb02RTMbHSRW88pv2gPVLEVyTM1O5sPq7HvhY8vu/ +g6CraJswm9C6DKBO2pUJZB4jQ6zmD3ofUk44= Original-Received: by 10.68.73.165 with SMTP id m5mr117264537pbv.108.1325477006156; Sun, 01 Jan 2012 20:03:26 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.142.247.28 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 20:02:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87boqmlrma.fsf@wanadoo.es> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.160.41 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147154 Archived-At: On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 04:18, =C3=93scar Fuentes wrote: > What's the difference? We have offered the tools and we're leaving the issue in the hands of the u= sers. > Granted, that's a considerable side-effect. I've looked at the release > history for GnuTLS and there are lots of them. I don't how many contain > fixes for serious bugs, though. If we start distributing GnuTLS binaries, it's suddenly our (=3D "someone's") work to know when a release fixes serious bugs and when it does not. > Directly or indirectly, almost all of them, I would say. Yes, it's already clear that's your opinion. Another way of seeing it is, we haven't seen many security reports because the users have not had many security incidents. > AFAIK Emacs can use GnuTLS for talking to the outside world too. SMTP, > for instance. There are ISPs (like the one I use) that offer both > encrypted and plain login on their mail servers. Of course. And then we're back to square one. Does anyone know how many people *on Windows* uses Emacs to connect to the wide, wild world? How many of them read e-mail from Emacs, for example? I don't (I very much doubt there's any reliable statistics), and if I had to bet, I'd bet on the side of few. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Juanma