From: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com>
To: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: GnuTLS for W32
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 05:11:47 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAAeL0SRs_uHNNdKqtmdun-tS_CoXrhbfYvxixR=CtkBF3m7KOg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87fwftpjqi.fsf@wanadoo.es>
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 04:56, Óscar Fuentes <ofv@wanadoo.es> wrote:
> Then I'm misunderstanding. IIRC you said, more or less: "we are a source
> code shop and MS Windows is an exception because those users would have
> a hard time getting an Emacs running on their machines". I fully
> sympathize with the "we are a source code shop", but at the same time
> I'll like to remark that the rest is no longer true.
I don't know what causes your misunderstanding. I would prefer not to
distribute binaries, can accept distributing our own because they are
useful, dislike the idea of distributing other project's binaries
unless they are *strictly* required to run our Emacs binary.
> We are on emacs-devel, not on all-projects-devel.
You were the one talking about "source-only worlds".
> But now that you ask, yes, I'll appreciate that all projects would
> include a system for notifying me that its software is putting my
> machine at risk.
If GnuTLS has a security issue, I wouldn't say that Emacs puts my
machine at risk. GnuTLS does.
> The key here is to determine what the Right Thing is. Have you
> considered the possibility that some or most of those projects doesn't
> have the automatic notification not because they think it is a bad idea,
> but because some other reason?
Why the second guessing? I was told that almost all software packages
today did automatic upgrading, and I mentioned some that do not. I
don't know why they don't offer it, and neither do you.
> That's like saying that smoke detectors are unneeded because fires
> rarely occur, if at all, on most housings.
Nonsense. It's like saying that a smoke detector is not needed in this
particular house because it is built with fireproof materials and the
likelihood of a fire is almost zero.
Do you have an smoke detector in your home? I don't. I don't have a
fire extinguisher, either.
> You are sidetracking from my question by going back to the GnuTLS dll.
No, I'm not.
> I'm genuinely interested in your reasoning for rejecting an
> automatic notification system built into Emacs.
That's what I've answered.
> Something you can use to
> warn users that a problem was found that would pose a risk to their data
> (a security breach, data corruption, whatever). That's independent from
> how the user obtained its binary package.
There are zillions of ways their data could be lost. Are you going to
add a program to Emacs to test the hard drive for bad spots? That kind
of checks (updates, I mean, not the disk test tool ;-) instill false
security. It's like the people who has an AV installed and thinks that
it is protected because the AV software has not detected anything.
Juanma
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2011-12-31 13:46 ` gnutls for win32 Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-01 11:10 ` Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
2012-01-01 11:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-01 14:13 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-01 16:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-01 16:38 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-01 17:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-01 21:17 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-01 21:28 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-01 21:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-01 23:54 ` GnuTLS for W32 (was: gnutls for win32) Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-02 0:49 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 1:33 ` GnuTLS for W32 Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-02 1:44 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 2:35 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-02 2:57 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 3:18 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-02 4:02 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 16:16 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-02 17:31 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 17:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02 18:51 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-02 22:35 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-03 0:48 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03 6:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 14:07 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03 17:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 17:48 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03 18:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 18:34 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03 19:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 19:48 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03 20:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 20:25 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 6:48 ` Chong Yidong
2012-01-04 8:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 3:45 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-04 5:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 7:03 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-04 8:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 11:21 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-04 11:33 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-04 11:57 ` Lennart Borgman
2012-01-04 12:06 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-04 12:37 ` David Engster
2012-01-04 18:42 ` Lennart Borgman
2012-01-04 18:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 13:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 14:14 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 15:05 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-04 15:42 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 16:29 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-04 17:00 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-04 18:48 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05 5:40 ` joakim
2012-01-05 15:52 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 19:21 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 19:45 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-04 23:00 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-05 0:18 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 2:00 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-05 2:36 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 6:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-05 6:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-05 7:04 ` Daniel Colascione
2012-01-05 11:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 20:37 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-04 20:41 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-04 22:12 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-04 22:47 ` chad
2012-01-04 23:16 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05 5:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-05 13:50 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05 14:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-05 14:50 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 16:19 ` chad
2012-01-05 20:30 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 23:14 ` chad
2012-01-05 23:32 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 23:58 ` Richard Riley
2012-01-06 0:05 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 7:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-06 0:09 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 1:05 ` chad
2012-01-06 1:13 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 1:24 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-06 1:48 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 2:37 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-06 3:08 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 3:56 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-06 4:11 ` Juanma Barranquero [this message]
2012-01-06 5:49 ` chad
2012-01-06 7:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-06 12:35 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07 2:34 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-06 13:39 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07 2:31 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-07 3:37 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-07 9:30 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07 13:37 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-07 15:10 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07 1:36 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-07 1:46 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07 5:07 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-07 1:23 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-05 15:08 ` joakim
2012-01-05 15:37 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-05 17:52 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05 18:29 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-05 20:06 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-06 3:15 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-06 3:37 ` chad
2012-01-05 20:38 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 20:36 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 20:39 ` Richard Riley
2012-01-05 22:45 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 22:35 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05 22:43 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 23:28 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05 23:38 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 23:55 ` Richard Riley
2012-01-05 23:59 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 7:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-07 2:03 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-07 5:40 ` Richard Riley
2012-01-07 13:35 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-07 14:51 ` Richard Riley
2012-01-07 15:12 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-08 15:33 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 1:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-09 14:26 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 14:26 ` NaCl support for Emacs (was: GnuTLS for W32) Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 15:30 ` NaCl support for Emacs Stefan Monnier
2012-01-09 16:43 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-09 16:59 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 17:48 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-09 18:17 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 18:21 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-10 1:45 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 16:53 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 22:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-10 1:06 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10 1:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-10 1:43 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10 1:54 ` Richard Riley
2012-01-10 2:34 ` libnettle for Emacs (was: NaCl support for Emacs) Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10 2:43 ` libnettle for Emacs Richard Riley
2012-01-10 3:01 ` NaCl support " Daniel Colascione
2012-01-10 11:45 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10 12:51 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10 3:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-10 11:54 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10 12:51 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-10 13:49 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10 16:01 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-10 20:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-09 20:48 ` joakim
2012-01-09 17:09 ` NaCl support for Emacs (was: GnuTLS for W32) Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-09 17:26 ` NaCl support for Emacs Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 17:29 ` NaCl support for Emacs (was: GnuTLS for W32) Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-10 0:57 ` NaCl support for Emacs Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-10 10:01 ` NaCl support for Emacs (was: GnuTLS for W32) Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-10 10:46 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-11 5:09 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-11 10:42 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-11 12:26 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-11 12:49 ` NaCl support for Emacs Harald Hanche-Olsen
2012-01-11 12:59 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-11 15:47 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-11 15:58 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-11 16:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-11 14:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-11 14:23 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-11 16:04 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-11 19:40 ` NaCl support for Emacs (was: GnuTLS for W32) Richard Stallman
2012-01-08 7:40 ` GnuTLS for W32 Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-08 8:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-06 0:43 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-06 0:59 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 14:08 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-06 14:35 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 15:26 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-06 15:47 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 16:50 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-07 10:24 ` Chong Yidong
2012-01-07 13:14 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07 13:28 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-07 21:03 ` Reiner Steib
2012-01-05 5:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 21:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 22:34 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-05 6:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-05 15:17 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-05 18:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 18:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 19:42 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 21:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 15:15 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-04 18:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 19:39 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 21:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 23:18 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-05 6:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 7:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 13:06 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-03 13:37 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-03 14:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 15:00 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-03 15:05 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-03 17:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 18:10 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03 7:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 13:09 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-03 17:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 11:02 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-04 12:26 ` joakim
2012-01-04 14:22 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 18:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 14:14 ` Jason Rumney
2012-01-02 17:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02 8:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02 10:42 ` Andreas Schwab
2012-01-02 11:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02 12:26 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-02 12:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02 14:03 ` Andreas Schwab
2012-01-02 17:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02 8:47 ` GnuTLS for W32 (was: gnutls for win32) Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02 9:47 ` GnuTLS for W32 Jason Rumney
2012-01-03 19:51 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-01 22:32 ` gnutls for lose32 Richard Stallman
2012-01-02 6:55 ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-02 10:46 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-02 11:51 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 13:09 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-02 13:15 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 13:28 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 19:05 ` Drew Adams
2012-01-02 16:17 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-02 22:52 ` Richard Stallman
2012-01-02 19:05 ` Drew Adams
2012-01-02 12:17 ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-02 13:06 ` Carsten Mattner
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