From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Trunk still not open Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 18:03:33 +0100 Message-ID: References: <6xwqfxhl88.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83txb1mcsy.fsf@gnu.org> <87siqlku0i.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87wqfxari2.fsf@yandex.ru> <87ha70kyy3.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <5323B66B.5070405@yandex.ru> <837g7vdg70.fsf@gnu.org> <768us8u6yb.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1395075864 10957 80.91.229.3 (17 Mar 2014 17:04:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 17:04:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Dmitry Gutov , Stephen Turnbull , Emacs developers To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 17 18:04:28 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WPaxg-0006vh-1b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 18:04:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59218 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WPaxf-000271-DQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:04:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46374) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WPaxZ-00026H-R1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:04:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WPaxY-0004qq-RU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:04:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yk0-x232.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4002:c07::232]:37085) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WPaxS-0004pI-Jw; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:04:14 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-yk0-f178.google.com with SMTP id 79so15670688ykr.9 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 10:04:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=QPvCRkFViJa3LfAGuKyoqafGGWbTYLP0QKgLw8A5tas=; b=MP4wcDd4cMlCRlFmwlIbAOZEJZGelH1XR/kIoDILuz6OmpZkYBNK5aPBt/B9jqTaSp 7cZceWKc5HT4l4mlD3vTWwVwZPQD9vxB5tX/jQuaMX5QpbyrCN5TcY1fXzovwQ3AH7cG 9X4SJ3zAtb5o6jpOe09mGUmaWV78i9FU6UYvtgZj0ZzYj0Z5sKowg3JM/tQvWJl55kaK Lolst+uaHEYOMqSrRZ0TwQzPpU8cxTyG6Wz9VFEvmlFCM4nxafSgwHl9zE4pRJpRnS+U qNYsDF+YTdVliqOX8tSBW79QwsD1x5ZuqiPwFncvkDh3TIm8Fb9Rq5bcChBItRLhmr4E wdxw== X-Received: by 10.236.23.71 with SMTP id u47mr3375818yhu.143.1395075854025; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 10:04:14 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.170.163.3 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 10:03:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <768us8u6yb.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4002:c07::232 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:170451 Archived-At: On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Glenn Morris wrote: > So yes, it eventually burns through my goodwill, which is basically what > caused me to start this discussion. I understand that, and for my part in your burnout, I'm sorry. > I don't think A and B are who you think they are in this scenario. I > think you underestimate the amount of time it would take for me (say) to > document frameset (say). I watch emacs-diffs, so I know whos spend a lot of effort writing docs. But in my example I wasn't pointing to anyone, nor suggesting that you or Eli should do it; perhaps it is not evident, but I have a great deal of respect for both of you and wouldn't dream of assuming that I know how you should spend your time... > I think I disagree with your assessment here. ? So do you think that most emacs developers are only interested in the "new, shiny" things? > Well it does. This just seems obvious to me, if you want people to > actually use it. Well, framesets aren't documented in the elisp reference, but they are hardly undocumented. In fact, once I start writing the info docs for it, I don't think I'm going to say much, if anything, that isn't already in the docstrings or the comments. frameset.el has a bit more of 1100 non-empty lines, and ~56% of that is comments or docstrings. > I'm surprised you're surprised. It's been sitting in NEWS without > ---/+++ for months, during the time in which Stefan asked for people to > document remaining NEWS items. I cannot honestly say that I've looked at NEWS much for months, except out of necessity (so, infrequently). Also, I find the "+++"/"---"/"" marking opaque, confusing and quite error-prone. But enough. If framesets must be documented in the elisp reference, I'll do it. That said, next time I read something like this (Martin's words) in Emacs devel: In Emacs 24.3 there are two functions `window-state-get' and `window-state-put' which can be used to do that. The only missing part is to write an interface to these functions when saving and restoring the desktop. I don't know whether anybody has done that. I'm gonna sit on my hands or go fishing typos in lisp/*.el until the urge to implement passes ;-) J