From: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>,
Stephen Turnbull <stephen@xemacs.org>,
Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Trunk still not open
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 18:03:33 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAAeL0SRq7yDrVJPqitu5Dt4KNkYk1hoERvR9tsM24+_41VBdAQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <768us8u6yb.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org>
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> wrote:
> So yes, it eventually burns through my goodwill, which is basically what
> caused me to start this discussion.
I understand that, and for my part in your burnout, I'm sorry.
> I don't think A and B are who you think they are in this scenario. I
> think you underestimate the amount of time it would take for me (say) to
> document frameset (say).
I watch emacs-diffs, so I know whos spend a lot of effort writing
docs. But in my example I wasn't pointing to anyone, nor suggesting
that you or Eli should do it; perhaps it is not evident, but I have a
great deal of respect for both of you and wouldn't dream of assuming
that I know how you should spend your time...
> I think I disagree with your assessment here.
?
So do you think that most emacs developers are only interested in the
"new, shiny" things?
> Well it does. This just seems obvious to me, if you want people to
> actually use it.
Well, framesets aren't documented in the elisp reference, but they are
hardly undocumented. In fact, once I start writing the info docs for
it, I don't think I'm going to say much, if anything, that isn't
already in the docstrings or the comments. frameset.el has a bit more
of 1100 non-empty lines, and ~56% of that is comments or docstrings.
> I'm surprised you're surprised. It's been sitting in NEWS without
> ---/+++ for months, during the time in which Stefan asked for people to
> document remaining NEWS items.
I cannot honestly say that I've looked at NEWS much for months, except
out of necessity (so, infrequently). Also, I find the "+++"/"---"/""
marking opaque, confusing and quite error-prone.
But enough. If framesets must be documented in the elisp reference, I'll do it.
That said, next time I read something like this (Martin's words) in Emacs devel:
In Emacs 24.3 there are two functions `window-state-get' and
`window-state-put' which can be used to do that. The only missing part
is to write an interface to these functions when saving and restoring
the desktop. I don't know whether anybody has done that.
I'm gonna sit on my hands or go fishing typos in lisp/*.el until the
urge to implement passes ;-)
J
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-03-17 17:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-02-27 5:00 Trunk still not open Stefan Monnier
2014-03-13 20:55 ` Glenn Morris
2014-03-14 7:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-14 9:29 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-14 9:35 ` David Kastrup
2014-03-14 9:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-14 10:02 ` David Kastrup
2014-03-14 10:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-14 10:40 ` David Kastrup
2014-03-14 11:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-14 9:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-14 9:55 ` Bastien
2014-03-14 15:16 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-14 11:42 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-03-15 9:13 ` Jambunathan K
2014-03-14 12:34 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-14 13:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-03-14 19:35 ` Glenn Morris
2014-03-18 20:01 ` joakim
2014-03-19 6:29 ` Glenn Morris
2014-03-19 16:43 ` Stefan
2014-03-14 14:34 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-14 14:57 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-14 15:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-15 6:22 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-15 9:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-16 0:26 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-16 3:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-14 15:39 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-15 6:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-17 4:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-14 19:31 ` Glenn Morris
2014-03-14 20:08 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-03-16 1:00 ` Glenn Morris
2014-03-16 2:30 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-03-15 1:55 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-15 2:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-15 8:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-15 10:52 ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-03-15 11:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-15 11:28 ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-03-16 1:08 ` Glenn Morris
2014-03-16 2:09 ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-03-16 10:02 ` martin rudalics
2014-03-17 16:26 ` Glenn Morris
2014-03-17 17:03 ` Juanma Barranquero [this message]
2014-03-17 17:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-17 17:31 ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-03-18 15:54 ` Glenn Morris
2014-03-18 17:07 ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-03-18 17:21 ` David Kastrup
2014-03-18 17:27 ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-03-19 4:25 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-17 4:43 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-17 12:38 ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-03-17 14:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-18 6:00 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-18 7:51 ` David Kastrup
2014-03-18 12:10 ` John Yates
2014-03-18 12:20 ` David Kastrup
2014-03-18 12:52 ` John Yates
2014-03-18 13:01 ` David Kastrup
2014-03-18 10:56 ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-03-18 16:13 ` Jambunathan K
2014-03-18 16:16 ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-03-18 17:25 ` Jambunathan K
2014-03-18 17:30 ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-03-18 17:51 ` Jambunathan K
2014-03-16 0:39 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-16 3:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-16 5:25 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-16 16:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-16 16:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-16 18:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-15 10:02 ` Jambunathan K
2014-03-15 10:19 ` David Kastrup
2014-03-15 11:01 ` Jambunathan K
2014-03-15 11:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-17 14:32 ` Stefan
2014-03-17 15:13 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-03-17 16:13 ` Glenn Morris
2014-03-17 16:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-17 16:13 ` Glenn Morris
2014-03-17 16:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-17 16:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-15 3:22 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-15 7:10 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-03-15 9:02 ` David Kastrup
2014-03-15 8:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-16 0:32 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-16 1:27 ` Glenn Morris
2014-03-16 5:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-16 11:26 ` Nicolas Richard
2014-03-16 3:57 ` Jambunathan K
2014-03-16 16:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-16 19:17 ` Jambunathan K
2014-03-16 20:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-17 4:56 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-19 7:57 ` Jambunathan K
2014-03-19 16:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-19 23:21 ` Jambunathan K
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-03-17 14:47 Barry OReilly
2014-03-18 17:55 ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-03-18 19:05 ` Jambunathan K
2014-03-18 19:24 ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-03-18 19:29 ` Jambunathan K
2014-03-18 19:47 ` David Kastrup
2014-03-18 19:57 ` David Kastrup
2014-03-19 15:17 ` Jambunathan K
2014-03-19 6:20 ` David Kastrup
2014-03-19 7:24 ` Jambunathan K
2014-03-19 15:22 ` Jambunathan K
2014-03-19 14:54 Alexander Poslavsky
2014-03-19 15:18 ` Jambunathan K
2014-03-19 15:21 ` Alexander Poslavsky
2014-03-19 15:51 ` Glenn Morris
2014-03-19 16:23 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-19 20:38 ` Jambunathan K
2014-03-19 15:57 ` Bastien
2014-03-19 15:59 ` Bastien
2014-03-19 16:13 ` Glenn Morris
2014-03-19 17:15 ` Nicolas Richard
2014-03-19 23:38 ` Bastien
2014-03-19 18:45 ` Stefan
2014-03-19 20:01 ` Glenn Morris
2014-03-20 1:22 ` Stefan
2014-03-19 21:21 ` Paul Eggert
2014-03-20 1:24 ` Stefan
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