From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GnuTLS for W32 Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 01:18:55 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87aa64ubg9.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83boqkr9bp.fsf@gnu.org> <874nwcu17i.fsf@wanadoo.es> <834nwcr6un.fsf@gnu.org> <87vcosskhc.fsf@wanadoo.es> <831urgr2yr.fsf@gnu.org> <87r4zgsh2w.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87ipks3zbo.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87boqk3q69.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87aa634st8.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fwfvsgfv.fsf@wanadoo.es> <877h17scdo.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87hb0b77nr.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8739bvs27m.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87lipnqdhy.fsf@wanadoo.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1325722787 29609 80.91.229.12 (5 Jan 2012 00:19:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 00:19:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 05 01:19:43 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rib3W-0002u6-G8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 01:19:42 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53095 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rib3V-0004sl-Jb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 19:19:41 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:53793) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rib3T-0004sW-9t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 19:19:40 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rib3R-0003lx-Hq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 19:19:39 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com ([209.85.210.41]:56354) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rib3R-0003lZ-BY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 19:19:37 -0500 Original-Received: by dakl33 with SMTP id l33so407dak.0 for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 16:19:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mmFq5qPaY3P3pPKcURp8MH9Q39NfOy4Wo382fHVzjw0=; b=oezHn2DrMiJoE7MOer91bl8Nzt71Q9Qk0d/syf9UBuVfYioAGOE1GHKLpt5VBMWVHe YxqALqgz172LQKfwFxzhGHaJ0wqd3pflowsPywEiPGx04NwY2/PpypZDDoddlec6scrg oVUv46WdBtUn/TK6ZKNtmou/Z9nSocLIr1piY= Original-Received: by 10.68.191.6 with SMTP id gu6mr115296289pbc.91.1325722776186; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 16:19:36 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.142.247.28 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:18:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87lipnqdhy.fsf@wanadoo.es> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.210.41 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147305 Archived-At: On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 00:00, =C3=93scar Fuentes wrote: > It took me > months to discover the problem for one of the users: a mass storage > device driver and accompanying backup utility installed their own > custom-modified MSVCRT.DLL on system32, which somehow caused my app to > freeze when certain gui action was performed. They didn't bothered to > use a different version string or id on the resources of the library, so > it reported itself as one of the "good" dlls. That just means that someone should be hit in the head with a printed copy of the full MSDN site. Repeatedly. > Then I started to put my > runtime dlls on the same directory as the rest of my binaries, and the > problems of those users disappeared. Wonderful. But GnuTLS is not "our" runtime DLL, not more than msvcrt.dll is= . Please understand: I'm not really arguing against installing the GnuTLS DLL along the emacs.exe binary (though, as a separate project, I still think it's better to install it on its own). I'm arguing against, and will continue to fight, *distributing* it in the first place with Emacs. We *are* *not* a binary distribution project, and we only do it for Windows because most Windows users do not have a building environment. Going that route means less programming resources and more administrivia. > I think that's more or less what Lennart is already doing, isn't it? Sort of. IMHO, Lennart's EmacsW32 is a fork, because he includes some changes that aren't just customizations (emacsclient is a prime example). > OTOH an installer that could act as an update tool for the dlls could be > interesting. Yes, definitely. As long as developing it and maintaining it is anybody else's (=3D "not the Emacs w32 people") responsibility :-) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Juanma