From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GnuTLS for W32 Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 21:30:23 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87vcosskhc.fsf@wanadoo.es> <831urgr2yr.fsf@gnu.org> <87r4zgsh2w.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87ipks3zbo.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87boqk3q69.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87aa634st8.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fwfvsgfv.fsf@wanadoo.es> <877h17scdo.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87hb0b77nr.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8739bvs27m.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87ty4b4329.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87hb0b3yoe.fsf@lifelogs.com> <6ED011D5-E185-44C6-BB31-A445A4E5F83A@gmail.com> <87wr976otx.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87ipkq6yy5.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1325795472 28021 80.91.229.12 (5 Jan 2012 20:31:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 20:31:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: chad Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 05 21:31:08 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ritxs-0007LJ-IS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 21:31:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34056 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ritxs-0004fT-2e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 15:31:08 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:45801) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ritxp-0004fO-N7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 15:31:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ritxo-0008AK-Ip for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 15:31:05 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com ([209.85.210.41]:57906) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ritxo-0008AE-9i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 15:31:04 -0500 Original-Received: by dakl33 with SMTP id l33so840060dak.0 for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 12:31:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1anvxBoNLRKHTJLXMJFdom5HU9igsNra912jFkTVB7k=; b=Bo2fKco8R37WygzUi6zvQmtG6QA52nCQaojw101Tw8jEnhpFcOKWur+hsBSuh4XBUx VT4GWlitiY6k7MLgz8NlXsFxmcf6DkTqTpMCBQ7T62F914y8OHlDufSxs/ax8viaJ81C fwAsTQVBUTyxClI2X6ok++MSPYn6afyZ0m51U= Original-Received: by 10.68.73.165 with SMTP id m5mr8315960pbv.108.1325795463181; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 12:31:03 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.142.247.28 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 12:30:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.210.41 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147355 Archived-At: On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 17:19, chad wrote: > Out of curiosity, do you assemble the pieces of your operating system by = hand No, because I'm not offered that alternative in the system I use. > and manually check for updates yourself? I disable automatic checking and do manual checks every now and then, yes. > Do you think that most GNU/Linux distributions are too much like `softwar= e as a service' for the same reasons? Certainly I don't like much the way GNU/Linux distributions are going. > It would mean that the default Emacs would automatically try to establish= a network connection without asking you, yes. If my vote counts, I'll vote against that being the default. > If you believe that the default user is opposed to this, I'll suggest tha= t you might not have noticed them all voting with their feet in favor of th= is at least a decade ago. =C2=A0This isn't even the old `Windows Majority',= even - I can't think of a computing system today that meets the criteria `= `might run Emacs 24.2'' and ``does NOT somehow check the network for critic= al updates in the default installation''. Last I checked, Emacs wasn't yet an operating system. There are plenty of applications, many of them quite new, with no automatic checking and/or upgrading. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Juanma