From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to restore the layout? Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:22:38 +0200 Message-ID: References: <51C5AA68.4000204@alice.it> <51C8B2C8.4000803@gmx.at> <51C93CDB.2020301@gmx.at> <51C9C790.3020407@gmx.at> <51CA0D4C.7080204@alice.it> <51CC3E42.7020409@alice.it> <51CC4CC1.3030202@alice.it> <51CC8403.1030009@gmx.at> <51CCA56A.8000508@gmx.at> <51CD49CF.1090103@gmx.at> <2FB4C583-960C-4DA8-8B2E-29DF8D96770E@swipnet.se> <51CD6324.2040504@gmx.at> <834ncifkq9.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1372425818 4901 80.91.229.3 (28 Jun 2013 13:23:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 13:23:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Stephen Berman , Angelo Graziosi , Emacs developers , martin rudalics , Stefan Monnier , jan.h.d@swipnet.se, Jambunathan K To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 28 15:23:39 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UsYeG-0008Rb-IQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:23:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56496 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UsYeD-0006OP-MH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 09:23:33 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49593) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UsYe8-0006KW-CJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 09:23:31 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UsYe3-00061s-IE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 09:23:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ie0-x234.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c03::234]:33679) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UsYdz-000606-H2; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 09:23:19 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ie0-f180.google.com with SMTP id f4so3757637iea.25 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 06:23:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=mNJuwTpuFcbRzOmcsCZaUZGkqHVhP7COtxSAK2AaBY8=; b=iyq3bkNd13SZVgTpokVWMkR7PocmMbHOC6xPXFlsBEV0KJLv2qwixiF3/pxH6CgwDU m+KiUNlQNgmNUJse7Tj/EJ4JIDvs0uHnzLjToQvLLw/5RajA6HLqssk7zrs1oxOwGs2O YAus3JMEhHfXuQfkL5HBDGZ4nIsgQmA/JouQfcw7k0619LJy/TTt0bbcW61KRKnoZNYK m0xiEkQXhtgolY+D4cI4Gl/y9XON5LV55pfbRnAsB+QwCqZfnt3mr4hFk5SgaKi7OPE8 oR8LpMkuV7ZbxA0j0S5Jz25J/nGmIUfL/IN9Kev4zBpEII9oz2Lxzl63s3tPflkP7irn I3xg== X-Received: by 10.50.122.65 with SMTP id lq1mr3926831igb.11.1372425798838; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 06:23:18 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.64.126.161 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 06:22:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <834ncifkq9.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::234 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:161202 Archived-At: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Restoring the session is not supposed to be 100% reliable. It can't. Of course. > You should do the same with windows > and frames: make a good-faith effort to restore them, and if you > can't, display a message and move on. Agreed. And trying to make them the same width / height / position is a good-faith effort. Trying to do less is not good-faith, it's just sloppy. > It's not about being customizable, it's about avoiding the "perfect" > solution (which doesn't exist). Sorry, no. I'm not trying to find the perfect solution; if I were, I wouldn't have committed the current code, which is far from perfect. It's about trying to find ways to satisfy most users, for some value of "most" preferably >= 90%. So in the end, whether you think that restoring the size *and* position is necessary or not (to the extent that is is *possible* in the first place, of course) is really a matter of opinion and taste, and so, customization. J