From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GnuTLS for W32 Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 01:05:36 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87aa634st8.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fwfvsgfv.fsf@wanadoo.es> <877h17scdo.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87hb0b77nr.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8739bvs27m.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87ty4b4329.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87hb0b3yoe.fsf@lifelogs.com> <6ED011D5-E185-44C6-BB31-A445A4E5F83A@gmail.com> <87wr976otx.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87ipkq6yy5.fsf@lifelogs.com> <3FB40138-C766-4A45-8E5A-4E404449995E@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1325808392 16571 80.91.229.12 (6 Jan 2012 00:06:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 00:06:32 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 06 01:06:25 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RixKB-00021J-UO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 01:06:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43824 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RixKA-00072O-Jb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 19:06:22 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:45034) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RixK7-00071Q-Lw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 19:06:20 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RixK6-0007wJ-L0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 19:06:19 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com ([209.85.210.41]:62720) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RixK6-0007vy-Dk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 19:06:18 -0500 Original-Received: by dakl33 with SMTP id l33so970037dak.0 for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:06:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=k7lVWfAD6vVADYf6jATroB5tLyY0e3JKBWDgJOGZU8k=; b=tCrIIVR0GJ3IZ6U1D9WxTqc9wT621AJpNshQVN7nYZVNNBsdwuQW0FRjQ2/XACIGOD 4I8FKjiv10Yr2ufe7548gbmAsyx9YE3mBo81yEeRZQjHUTrAKJUW/EsqQDOyYZZLmCxm UctARVZjK764qC9kcELM/y2LUsukSYlrDvB5I= Original-Received: by 10.68.72.198 with SMTP id f6mr10112501pbv.6.1325808377214; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:06:17 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.142.247.28 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 16:05:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.210.41 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147373 Archived-At: On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 00:58, Richard Riley wrote: > The distribution should have everything the user might *optionally* want. That's just an opinion, and one I happen not to agree with. > This kind of minimalist thinking doesnt exactly help new users > adopt emacs when they have no clue about building or fetching/installing > such components themsleves. GnuTLS is not required to "adopt Emacs". I would say that, for a Windows user, adding the image libraries would be more useful that GnuTLS, because I bet most of them are not going to start using Emacs to read e-mail or surf the web. > If distributing binaries > local to the emacs install helps people get going then why not? For Windows users, enabling CUA mode by default will "help" them more. But we don't do it. But, as for "why not"... Why? Why us? Why cannot the people who is so interested in doing it just set a side project to build an Emacs installer, and be done with it? > You can disable this. You're an advanced user. Irrelevant. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Juanma