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From: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com>
To: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: GnuTLS for W32
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 03:36:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAAeL0SR4MTtRkiEDC0ZCxaYiTEj2X5OXcb=_BTS9+hUZos4_5Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87d3ayrjrk.fsf@wanadoo.es>

On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 03:00, Óscar Fuentes <ofv@wanadoo.es> wrote:

> It *also* means that depending on unknown third parties is asking for
> trouble.

Yes. Unknown.

> AFAIK Windows binaries are distributed from the GNU servers just because
> someone volunteers to do the job, not because it is a requisite for the
> release.

The binary tarballs for Windows are more or less "blessed". They are
not a requisite for the release, because strictly speaking, nothing
Windows-related is a requisite for the release (I suppose an exception
would be fixing bugs related to data loss or security issues).

> So it should be up to those volunteers to decide if they want
> to include those libraries (GnuTLS, image support, etc) on the binary
> package.

The moment the packages are accesible from the official site, there's
certain responsibilities. For example, to issue security upgrades as
fast as possible.

> A slightly different issue is to decide if changes to Emacs sources are
> allowed to do that chore on certain way, but then it is up to the
> volunteers again and solid reasons should be given to reject those
> contributions.

So far, none of the ways that had been proposed has been convincing,
and solid reasons have been given against them. It's just that we are
not agreeing on what "solid reasons" mean. As far as I'm concerned,
using ELPA to distribute Windows DLLs is gross beyond description, for
example. Any mechanism that makes Emacs try to auto-upgrade itself is
also a no-no (in my view, I don't know Stefan and Chong's opinion).

> IIRC Lennart also distributes an unpatched Emacs.

Yes, though I think he doesn't update it very often (I haven't checked
recently and I could be wrong).

> Ah, yes, the Emacs w32 people. Now I understand your stance better (and
> maybe Eli's). I think it would be unfair and unreasonable to make you
> responsible of doing the job related to those libraries, but I also
> think that you are not obliged in any way to provide binaries of
> anything.

Responsibility and obligation are disjoint concepts. I don't mind the
load, but I hate accepting (not personally, but as a project) the
responsibility to do things, like compiling GnuTLS binaries and
distributing them, that are utterly disconnected from Emacs
development per se. The moment we do that, people will expect we also
provide up-to-date binaries for image libs, libxml2, d-bus, you name
it.

    Juanma



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2011-12-31 13:46 ` gnutls for win32 Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-01 11:10   ` Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
2012-01-01 11:50     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-01 14:13       ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-01 16:10         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-01 16:38           ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-01 17:05             ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-01 21:17               ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-01 21:28                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-01 21:40                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-01 23:54                   ` GnuTLS for W32 (was: gnutls for win32) Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-02  0:49                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02  1:33                       ` GnuTLS for W32 Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-02  1:44                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02  2:35                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-02  2:57                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02  3:18                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-02  4:02                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 16:16                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-02 17:31                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 17:39                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02 18:51                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-02 22:35                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-03  0:48                                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03  6:37                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 14:07                                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03 17:21                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 17:48                                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03 18:14                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 18:34                                                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03 19:38                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 19:48                                                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03 20:09                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 20:25                                                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04  6:48                                                             ` Chong Yidong
2012-01-04  8:15                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04  3:45                                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-04  5:21                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04  7:03                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-04  8:21                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 11:21                                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-04 11:33                                                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-04 11:57                                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2012-01-04 12:06                                                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-04 12:37                                                                           ` David Engster
2012-01-04 18:42                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2012-01-04 18:19                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 13:57                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 14:14                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 15:05                                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-04 15:42                                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 16:29                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-04 17:00                                                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-04 18:48                                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05  5:40                                                                                   ` joakim
2012-01-05 15:52                                                                                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 19:21                                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 19:45                                                                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-04 23:00                                                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-05  0:18                                                                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05  2:00                                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-05  2:36                                                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero [this message]
2012-01-05  6:45                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-05  6:41                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-05  7:04                                                                                       ` Daniel Colascione
2012-01-05 11:58                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 20:37                                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-04 20:41                                                                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-04 22:12                                                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-04 22:47                                                                                       ` chad
2012-01-04 23:16                                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05  5:36                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-05 13:50                                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05 14:14                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-05 14:50                                                                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 16:19                                                                                                 ` chad
2012-01-05 20:30                                                                                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 23:14                                                                                                     ` chad
2012-01-05 23:32                                                                                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 23:58                                                                                                         ` Richard Riley
2012-01-06  0:05                                                                                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06  7:11                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-06  0:09                                                                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06  1:05                                                                                                           ` chad
2012-01-06  1:13                                                                                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06  1:24                                                                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-06  1:48                                                                                                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06  2:37                                                                                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-06  3:08                                                                                                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06  3:56                                                                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-06  4:11                                                                                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06  5:49                                                                                                                           ` chad
2012-01-06  7:12                                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-06 12:35                                                                                                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07  2:34                                                                                                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-06 13:39                                                                                                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07  2:31                                                                                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-07  3:37                                                                                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-07  9:30                                                                                                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07 13:37                                                                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-07 15:10                                                                                                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07  1:36                                                                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-07  1:46                                                                                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07  5:07                                                                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-07  1:23                                                                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-05 15:08                                                                                               ` joakim
2012-01-05 15:37                                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-05 17:52                                                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05 18:29                                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-05 20:06                                                                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-06  3:15                                                                                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-06  3:37                                                                                                         ` chad
2012-01-05 20:38                                                                                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 20:36                                                                                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 20:39                                                                                                     ` Richard Riley
2012-01-05 22:45                                                                                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 22:35                                                                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05 22:43                                                                                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 23:28                                                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05 23:38                                                                                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 23:55                                                                                                             ` Richard Riley
2012-01-05 23:59                                                                                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06  7:10                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-07  2:03                                                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-07  5:40                                                                                                                 ` Richard Riley
2012-01-07 13:35                                                                                                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-07 14:51                                                                                                                     ` Richard Riley
2012-01-07 15:12                                                                                                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-08 15:33                                                                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09  1:04                                                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-09 14:26                                                                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 14:26                                                                                                                           ` NaCl support for Emacs (was: GnuTLS for W32) Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 15:30                                                                                                                             ` NaCl support for Emacs Stefan Monnier
2012-01-09 16:43                                                                                                                               ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-09 16:59                                                                                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 17:48                                                                                                                                   ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-09 18:17                                                                                                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 18:21                                                                                                                                       ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-10  1:45                                                                                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 16:53                                                                                                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 22:23                                                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-10  1:06                                                                                                                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10  1:30                                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-10  1:43                                                                                                                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10  1:54                                                                                                                                         ` Richard Riley
2012-01-10  2:34                                                                                                                                           ` libnettle for Emacs (was: NaCl support for Emacs) Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10  2:43                                                                                                                                             ` libnettle for Emacs Richard Riley
2012-01-10  3:01                                                                                                                                         ` NaCl support " Daniel Colascione
2012-01-10 11:45                                                                                                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10 12:51                                                                                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10  3:21                                                                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-10 11:54                                                                                                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10 12:51                                                                                                                                             ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-10 13:49                                                                                                                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10 16:01                                                                                                                                                 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-10 20:01                                                                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-09 20:48                                                                                                                               ` joakim
2012-01-09 17:09                                                                                                                             ` NaCl support for Emacs (was: GnuTLS for W32) Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-09 17:26                                                                                                                               ` NaCl support for Emacs Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 17:29                                                                                                                               ` NaCl support for Emacs (was: GnuTLS for W32) Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-10  0:57                                                                                                                               ` NaCl support for Emacs Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-10 10:01                                                                                                                             ` NaCl support for Emacs (was: GnuTLS for W32) Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-10 10:46                                                                                                                               ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-11  5:09                                                                                                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-11 10:42                                                                                                                                   ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-11 12:26                                                                                                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-11 12:49                                                                                                                                       ` NaCl support for Emacs Harald Hanche-Olsen
2012-01-11 12:59                                                                                                                                         ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-11 15:47                                                                                                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-11 15:58                                                                                                                                           ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-11 16:33                                                                                                                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-11 14:07                                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-11 14:23                                                                                                                                       ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-11 16:04                                                                                                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-11 19:40                                                                                                                                   ` NaCl support for Emacs (was: GnuTLS for W32) Richard Stallman
2012-01-08  7:40                                                                                                                   ` GnuTLS for W32 Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-08  8:34                                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-06  0:43                                                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-06  0:59                                                                                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 14:08                                                                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-06 14:35                                                                                                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 15:26                                                                                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-06 15:47                                                                                                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 16:50                                                                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-07 10:24                                                                                                                           ` Chong Yidong
2012-01-07 13:14                                                                                                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07 13:28                                                                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-07 21:03                                                                                                                     ` Reiner Steib
2012-01-05  5:24                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 21:23                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 22:34                                                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-05  6:34                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-05 15:17                                                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-05 18:11                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 18:10                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 19:42                                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 21:31                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 15:15                                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-04 18:09                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 19:39                                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 21:30                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 23:18                                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-05  6:44                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03  7:14                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 13:06                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-03 13:37                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-03 14:02                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 15:00                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-03 15:05                                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-03 17:29                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 18:10                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03  7:48                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 13:09                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-03 17:06                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 11:02                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-04 12:26                                                 ` joakim
2012-01-04 14:22                                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 18:03                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 14:14                                       ` Jason Rumney
2012-01-02 17:54                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02  8:48                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02 10:42                               ` Andreas Schwab
2012-01-02 11:20                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02 12:26                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-02 12:41                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02 14:03                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2012-01-02 17:34                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02  8:47                     ` GnuTLS for W32 (was: gnutls for win32) Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02  9:47                       ` GnuTLS for W32 Jason Rumney
2012-01-03 19:51                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-01 22:32       ` gnutls for lose32 Richard Stallman
2012-01-02  6:55         ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-02 10:46           ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-02 11:51             ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 13:09               ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-02 13:15                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 13:28                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 19:05                   ` Drew Adams
2012-01-02 16:17                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-02 22:52                 ` Richard Stallman
2012-01-02 19:05               ` Drew Adams
2012-01-02 12:17             ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-02 13:06               ` Carsten Mattner

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