From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GnuTLS for W32 Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 18:31:24 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87aa68dfao.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87ty4fbje8.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83ehvjs8t5.fsf@gnu.org> <87pqf3bcom.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83boqns68o.fsf@gnu.org> <87liprazr1.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83wr9bqez3.fsf@gnu.org> <87y5tr9dwv.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <87k45alwgb.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87fwfyltm1.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87boqmlrma.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87ty4e9j19.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1325525535 18771 80.91.229.12 (2 Jan 2012 17:32:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 17:32:15 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 02 18:32:11 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rhlk2-0002tv-PO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 18:32:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51217 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rhlk2-0000cF-7l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 12:32:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:55327) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rhljz-0000bQ-4H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 12:32:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rhljx-0005iJ-Tr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 12:32:07 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-tul01m020-f169.google.com ([209.85.214.169]:38491) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rhljx-0005iC-Qo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 12:32:05 -0500 Original-Received: by obcwo8 with SMTP id wo8so14475983obc.0 for ; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 09:32:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QsBOsHQ5YEmsOc5zjkAXC/VquZtv0OjPgMxVtGM9SkA=; b=MzIesKIG7lHsfx+zlvgM4ao9QIsLMpnsd+v6K1LHVppY1q1+5MP2UOW1BTocNf8Ggj 8TOifKue4IHRRFxXtazmp3Nlo7HpMww/xkC9KFG+vqzwzjhVQ7CBnncNbdGsd2hr7ZGV 0CN/hZP5OV7pWKs+3nf2yj3+CI9STLUifkG4o= Original-Received: by 10.182.59.41 with SMTP id w9mr12226702obq.70.1325525525076; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 09:32:05 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.182.150.72 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 09:31:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87ty4e9j19.fsf@lifelogs.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.214.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147181 Archived-At: 2012/1/2 Ted Zlatanov : > I stated I would do that monitoring. =C2=A0In any case, it's better to ha= ve > the *ability* to issue updates than not to. We already have the ability to issue updates, because any update is just getting the info to the user (whether they download a binary tarball from us or somewhere else, the only real trouble is getting the user to know that there's a security issue to be fixed in the first place). In that regard, announcing a new release or announcing that the user should upgrade their GnuTLS binary is largely irrelevant. But anyway, the issue is not just monitoring. Someone has to build updated binary GnuTLS packages for Windows. That Eli just did it does not mean we can burden him with the task forever. >=C2=A0In that context, it seems > more sensible to package GnuTLS support as an ELPA package so it can be > upgraded without upgrading Emacs as a whole. =C2=A0So perhaps we just nee= d a > versioned "gnutls-w32" ELPA package to DTRT. =C2=A0W32 users can choose t= o > install it or it can be installed by default, whichever we or the > distribution decides. I think my objections regarding the burden we heap upon ourselves are equally valid (or not) for an ELPA package, with the only mitigating factor that at least in that case a security upgrade does not force a reissue of Emacs tarballs. > I'd guess we have at least 100 W32 users. Worldwide? ;-) >=C2=A0That number will certainly > grow if Emacs can offer better foolproof connectivity. =C2=A0If you ever > tried to set up CLI helpers for W32 Emacs network connectivity before > GnuTLS came along, you know it was a big deterrent to adoption. I suppose you're talking of corporate environments or the like. I still find hard to believe that's a representative sample of Windows users. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Juanma