From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Install C source code for for debugging help Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 02:09:19 +0200 Message-ID: References: <7ba0e94a-6256-c425-aaf8-7ee8822216a7@cs.ucla.edu> <8336gil439.fsf@gnu.org> <1cb04f23-5fa1-c866-41a8-60156d15936d@cs.ucla.edu> <83v9tejjdv.fsf@gnu.org> <83a7apkgn7.fsf@gnu.org> <835zldkfkq.fsf@gnu.org> <4F3CD911-4F73-4C64-9EB5-23ED639E6DBB@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000089aa5f059391d236" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="22388"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Paul Eggert , Emacs developers , Noam Postavsky , Stefan Monnier To: Fu Yuan Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 28 02:10:46 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iE0Jx-0005hE-Q3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 02:10:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58494 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iE0Jv-00010b-WF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2019 20:10:44 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53596) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iE0JJ-0000U5-DU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2019 20:10:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iE0JI-0003iE-25 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2019 20:10:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qk1-x734.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::734]:37058) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iE0JA-0003Sd-Cb; Fri, 27 Sep 2019 20:09:56 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-qk1-x734.google.com with SMTP id u184so3430360qkd.4; Fri, 27 Sep 2019 17:09:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=qajrcvJ7M/oDHTZBudAz08FHHY8wiS+OIQtjLq8DsNE=; b=TII/nuMqrAftxSy1/50FNhK0TCBsbwQdeF4g8ZA0fY2X7SfaDzqmGXPBcBnGXjehQI uzTwTlLi+l1ruGxDwoAOr+JZ/z1YYP1f2jFwr6+E/yZsqqlVp/X4CveP0oQs9EvZcMR0 QUDJdwrcAK94je3ZBhUU1DWm4H8ZCXmn7U2KTp39pcnhDvGquLKghm9wN2C7tvHuQwMM qWgakEnaVQs3CD6/i2apAFINYhxWRUmlJU0As8D1ApJSRxY1X5diAhZn76bm1GBKpt6K JA5usUMUXa5fuEW5/i/4Mi2DSY3w814m/5yVOfo9q0fBEofuNQLmF7i+TL4ctMEV8uYG Sktw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=qajrcvJ7M/oDHTZBudAz08FHHY8wiS+OIQtjLq8DsNE=; b=qXxvYz95tADoDJodA2VWronynS5M+b0N33L1uKp593Zjy0c3sYxIhEaSnljm3Xc3zb +fFeSxg1h9Fk6r/PoMQhME5EF5CVyzU+Cd3qH4ARNuSLQD4ciKZMAFPelJuFbdgKdF3n 7DnUTr0+60u9L7zARGAxBnQ7Qd1L7FoDfDiA194IoI2f2T03Zw8mZKqyTksPlH2JJIG/ +XPwPVVCBQDzvfahcTuMWu08Lykz1z7w2WZAmHzrEat6e96J0xX2sf9vXNZ6FnXC00SD IOqmvrBF4atoSRvPt4TPj4eyE1l42PLG/Bu1yOJE5lrbLOz/nblJCXOtKCBPLgmWM25+ kbgw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWlNYwkG00tJL1H1BnU7gAltJu1Ad+/eakUCAl+H0EC4SaWb7LS CJ+EEc+JuQpMr5ShLPq2u7+tp3iie40pTGZ34kg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxWWmuCwndhVNKbN2nAnJkyjtulhYzxJoYUPGp/wz4CIqbhQ9t01JxJ2AZi/JK16DA5vC7lLHaXFQQhSpIfJV8= X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:6db:: with SMTP id 27mr7550114qky.281.1569629395330; Fri, 27 Sep 2019 17:09:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4F3CD911-4F73-4C64-9EB5-23ED639E6DBB@gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::734 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:240353 Archived-At: --00000000000089aa5f059391d236 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 12:46 AM Fu Yuan wrote: > Regarding the encourage effect Stefan mentioned, I think Elisp sources already > have this effect and is better than C source in this aspect because it=E2= =80=99s easier to > understand, manipulate and play around with. I couldn't agree more. Any Emacs user already has an Elisp interpreter installed, and can change, explore, experiment. Having the elisp sources at hand can be a useful tool for learning and extending. The C sources are anything but trivial to understand, and cannot be changed unless you invest time in setting up a build environment. Anyone who will know what to do with the C sources, or even will learn anything from them, quite likely will already know how to get them. --00000000000089aa5f059391d236 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 12:46 AM Fu Yuan <casouri@gmail.com> wrote:

= > Regarding the encourage effect Stefan mentioned, I think Elisp sources= already
> have this effect and is better than C source in= this aspect because it=E2=80=99s easier to
> understand, mani= pulate and play around with.

I couldn't agree = more. Any Emacs user already has an Elisp interpreter installed, and can ch= ange, explore, experiment. Having the elisp sources at hand can be a useful= tool for learning and extending.

The C sources ar= e anything but trivial to understand, and cannot be changed unless you inve= st time in setting up a build environment. Anyone who will know what to do = with the C sources, or even will learn anything from them, quite likely wil= l already know how to get them.


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