From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to restore the layout? Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:22:18 +0200 Message-ID: References: <51C5AA68.4000204@alice.it> <51C8B2C8.4000803@gmx.at> <51C93CDB.2020301@gmx.at> <51C9C790.3020407@gmx.at> <51CA0D4C.7080204@alice.it> <51CC3E42.7020409@alice.it> <51CC4CC1.3030202@alice.it> <51CC8403.1030009@gmx.at> <51CCA56A.8000508@gmx.at> <51CD49CF.1090103@gmx.at> <2FB4C583-960C-4DA8-8B2E-29DF8D96770E@swipnet.se> <51CD6324.2040504@gmx.at> <834ncifkq9.fsf@gnu.org> <83zjuae19s.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1372432991 24634 80.91.229.3 (28 Jun 2013 15:23:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:23:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Stephen Berman , Angelo Graziosi , Emacs developers , martin rudalics , Stefan Monnier , jan.h.d@swipnet.se, Jambunathan K To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 28 17:23:11 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UsaVz-0002Dl-Nr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:23:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34872 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UsaVz-0002KW-9D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 11:23:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59873) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UsaVs-0002GS-PX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 11:23:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UsaVq-0000Yb-1o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 11:23:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ie0-x233.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c03::233]:53409) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UsaVn-0000XB-Ny; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 11:22:59 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ie0-f179.google.com with SMTP id c10so4031261ieb.24 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:22:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=UuU03ev9AxqUEkmj/VGAjQgOP8JIDmlXxZTZo3VF9IQ=; b=pKNchvFqZ42241rDtSNUdGECh0XV1L2vwSCrZnpv8miR2S/mNdSfddSWCKY0lWtcyz G5FQmki/XPwNAXWsN/XDGywLCNiMXMpRQ9DCQr36lqvdlRIAhNETO5FRWWxLQoQl7zlW CQYLkHRPpeQpce0yYFbQ5Tky/vlto/Bmmsw0ycTV6wxVLJz5cDBUfhNe869GwC7r4phr EkEiUgvq+XLB3qTDDxQ//WqZth/a7KljaND3MXyltAhEN/L1gqVS8KudThteO+Rn8ba6 ERIMzi63HyZHSPXZ0zL0kohMMJ9VdYz1woQ1a5Jus3rl9zEetFmQ3V59G1/azEdf/4pP u4aA== X-Received: by 10.50.176.166 with SMTP id cj6mr4184979igc.56.1372432979148; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.64.126.161 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:22:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83zjuae19s.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::233 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:161233 Archived-At: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > It is not necessary, although it is desirable. I clearly disagree. > Which means if it's too damn hard, don't bother, just punt and display > a message. Therefore, customization will not help here, because what's > it gonna tell you? "try harder"? If you assume that it won't work, of course customization doesn't make sense. As I assume that it will work in many cases, the option I'm suggesting to offer is "Do you want to try to restore frame sizes & positions, even if not guaranteed to work on 100% of cases, or are you happy with letting the window manager destr... rearrange things for you?". J