From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Artur Malabarba Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21423: 24.5; (package-initialize) added to init.el without (setq package-enable-at-startup nil) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2015 16:21:32 +0100 Message-ID: References: <55EC1CF4.60006@orcon.net.nz> <55EC1F21.8080702@orcon.net.nz> <55EC3F9D.6080800@orcon.net.nz> Reply-To: bruce.connor.am@gmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1441552944 19172 80.91.229.3 (6 Sep 2015 15:22:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2015 15:22:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 21423@debbugs.gnu.org To: Phil Sainty Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 06 17:22:12 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYblj-0006lw-UW for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 17:22:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48991 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYblj-00037w-Dr for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 11:22:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36217) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYbld-00037j-W5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 11:22:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYbla-0007Lf-Sc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 11:22:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:58626) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYbla-0007LZ-Oq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 11:22:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYbla-0006eY-Cz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 11:22:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Artur Malabarba Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2015 15:22:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21423 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21423-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21423.144155289525540 (code B ref 21423); Sun, 06 Sep 2015 15:22:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21423) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Sep 2015 15:21:35 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50836 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYbl8-0006dr-RU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 11:21:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lb0-f180.google.com ([209.85.217.180]:35316) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZYbl6-0006dh-Qf for 21423@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 11:21:33 -0400 Original-Received: by lbpo4 with SMTP id o4so29272877lbp.2 for <21423@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 08:21:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=X+668LhGeEEvPmAL3uLrH4qPVQzvL7fP7OWzC3cPULQ=; b=j5uO8JXlCLqXEQ3+n4C078RRY+dihhD1q9Ke2fc9Miyo7oszB+I8j2J8HlBeHFkizw 7hImvdydLyz5FBSgLCGQr2shHhIhM5PqfXUIVLhEm5yvMALcKMm6nkBgNVHA1Ss92koJ BBeql7+fQv3OpA5b1bp/VrlP0y0P/hwIOIA1cuaLlhcsj0DOMXXPEh05NH1Sxu89OvnM ZAaWCnl1xRyUwF6XJ0OajCvvXEZP0ReZFLy//lWJJ1HWKRJCIHpIDDbhkUi4ahXzZR/f jZseW/BHrJiEJiAC2lVxYek/LGL2xnyOOIU9HVwBeWO97Uc14Mxn8p4iklcUk/xUbuHx 8oYg== X-Received: by 10.112.205.6 with SMTP id lc6mr12653810lbc.95.1441552892120; Sun, 06 Sep 2015 08:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.25.213.202 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Sep 2015 08:21:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55EC3F9D.6080800@orcon.net.nz> X-Google-Sender-Auth: KnWghYxUahxs6B8D9dngK3c8gPM X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:106190 Archived-At: 2015-09-06 14:29 GMT+01:00 Phil Sainty : > On 07/09/15 00:59, Artur Malabarba wrote: >> I think I'd rather do the patch below. >> This will not only help the situation where we automatically add >> `(package-initialize)' to the init file, but it will also help those >> users who have manually added it without knowing about this caveat. >> >> Does anyone foresee problems with this? > > I did always think it odd that your proposed change wasn't how it > worked to begin with. > > That said, this change would seem to be an issue for anyone who is > performing a partial initialisation in their init file (for specific > packages), and then depending on the default initialisation to deal > with the remainder, post-init. > > I can only imagine that's a very small proportion of users indeed, > but I presume the scenario ought to be considered (even if only for > the purposes of documenting it in NEWS). Yes, they'll have to add (setq package-enable-at-startup t) after calling initialize. That should definitely go in the NEWS.