From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Artur Malabarba Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Calling (package-initialize) sooner during initialization Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 09:19:40 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87383xk4ia.fsf@taylan.uni.cx> <55329AD9.4090303@yandex.ru> <5532A332.6000101@yandex.ru> Reply-To: bruce.connor.am@gmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3875097256205140f7990 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1429431599 27228 80.91.229.3 (19 Apr 2015 08:19:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 08:19:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 19 10:19:58 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YjkSL-0007AX-Ug for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2015 10:19:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47802 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YjkSL-0004B5-6p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2015 04:19:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36447) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YjkS6-0004Au-I4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2015 04:19:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YjkS5-0006oY-Hr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2015 04:19:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-la0-x233.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c03::233]:34434) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YjkS5-0006oS-9Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2015 04:19:41 -0400 Original-Received: by laat2 with SMTP id t2so106953287laa.1 for ; Sun, 19 Apr 2015 01:19:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=b8uJczaR9XabpK09NqgJta+/ROxfMLJf9MEfPQUyyh0=; b=rMop9aFEs0ktwgh5W5KaSSZwDUGB2zsWmFBO5VX1uI4cbvKEt9rX5t7a9Iq4UINfyS hu96GlFQt0YwKNThOtDYqOsAfUkSG6a0fueQR+El6GDri+s5kzZIPGUEA2jpq1fSzeHW zrJAED577wjf/Z2AV1PYZowxwNKSm6RBhVPr4NDrX84xJCbStCghhnngpmNKRWlACPz9 kyN6gmHhaZnF0r98WBjsbQ0wG+cEUBEaEg20uIku0Gsgbc4LFNqfd/nfaNEMsC6jLbec hRdCDM01HYeeAWn3A5rVm2B3vZ92uL/FhR+6UXIeItfVTu7mcF8WLgDUPsZTK4GIL2zf swtA== X-Received: by 10.112.200.230 with SMTP id jv6mr11099813lbc.21.1429431580565; Sun, 19 Apr 2015 01:19:40 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.25.150.1 with HTTP; Sun, 19 Apr 2015 01:19:40 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.25.150.1 with HTTP; Sun, 19 Apr 2015 01:19:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5532A332.6000101@yandex.ru> X-Google-Sender-Auth: QBYF9UpzAVHM4c50bd2jGiXp0ls X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c03::233 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:185661 Archived-At: --001a11c3875097256205140f7990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Apr 18, 2015 7:32 PM, "Dmitry Gutov" wrote: > > On 04/18/2015 09:24 PM, Artur Malabarba wrote: > >> Yes, but it would only solve the custom.el problem, not the more >> general package.el problem. > > > The "more general package.el problem" is still there unless (or until) the user interacts with the Customize interface, isn't it? Then it's not a complete solution either. With Stefan's proposals, yes. With other solutions being discussed, no, the more general problem would solved regardless of custom.el. --001a11c3875097256205140f7990 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8


On Apr 18, 2015 7:32 PM, "Dmitry Gutov" <dgutov@yandex.ru> wrote:
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> On 04/18/2015 09:24 PM, Artur Malabarba wrote:
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>> Yes, but it would only solve the custom.el problem, not the more
>> general package.el problem.
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> The "more general package.el problem" is still there unless (or until) the user interacts with the Customize interface, isn't it? Then it's not a complete solution either.

With Stefan's proposals, yes. With other solutions being discussed, no, the more general problem would solved regardless of custom.el.

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