From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Artur Malabarba Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Calling (package-initialize) sooner during initialization Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 19:38:22 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87383xk4ia.fsf@taylan.uni.cx> <87d22zi69k.fsf@taylan.uni.cx> <878udmj2gu.fsf@taylan.uni.cx> Reply-To: bruce.connor.am@gmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c364a611564505142c3c09 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1429555115 29902 80.91.229.3 (20 Apr 2015 18:38:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 18:38:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel To: chad Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 20 20:38:34 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YkGaW-0008O2-Fm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 20:38:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54954 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YkGaV-00087g-KQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 14:38:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38969) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YkGaS-00087Z-RL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 14:38:29 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YkGaN-0002Jr-Ij for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 14:38:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lb0-x230.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c04::230]:32891) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YkGaN-0002Jc-9X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 14:38:23 -0400 Original-Received: by lbbzk7 with SMTP id zk7so137772144lbb.0 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 11:38:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=oddf53G1XRUnJDVR8jrMZrBDU0gEncH8TZx1263Si8M=; b=A4rjfnZS92XPYBgttKN8AaEcv7pnt3HnG3VX30U+YLCgU6wbf1/LOwtTEcjNyKs+dh pyQ0AtNxxF8VMw9T/fXhTMP29H6cdimrh3RGU3YDw9ZP9ZvWeib8MKZAy1o5ymAlqJCG o+66ZeZaQ2OKRqpnr3dw8RXRUa9GM31j0fOvKRhyp38pV1s3x6tftg77JUtfCOyCR0wo 8sKLE5LOFVsVa88Fmlv0eu6KXlHFzZxWGPl8me/RwqhvmQUXMnKo/SdcRSl/NDGV2p2+ iCI3urxois8iu+bI7C73NoNvi7tnyrRy2dLpeKwzFLU2QpJwTRrXnXFjNzUdOvfEZeEf 29lQ== X-Received: by 10.152.87.204 with SMTP id ba12mr17106245lab.35.1429555102437; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 11:38:22 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.25.150.1 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 11:38:22 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.25.150.1 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 11:38:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8DEDPhWmK-iz3QuPcJMgRX8DSjE X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c04::230 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:185724 Archived-At: --001a11c364a611564505142c3c09 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > I do wonder if all of this can be avoided by teaching users to > insert `use-package lines/snippets/etc into their .emacs, instead > of `require. It would also address some slow-start issues at the > same time. I started this thread because I was tired of telling people to add package-initialize to their init file, and you want to teach them to use use-package? :-) The point is that users shouldn't run into trouble for doing such basic configurations. If they have to ask for help on this then I we've already failed. --001a11c364a611564505142c3c09 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8

> I do wonder if all of this can be avoided by teaching users to
> insert `use-package lines/snippets/etc into their .emacs, instead
> of `require. It would also address some slow-start issues at the
> same time.

I started this thread because I was tired of telling people to add package-initialize to their init file, and you want to teach them to use use-package? :-)

The point is that users shouldn't run into trouble for doing such basic configurations. If they have to ask for help on this then I we've already failed.

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