From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Artur Malabarba Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Exposing Isearch toggleable options Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 00:55:48 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87611q7c3f.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <877fm5tefl.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87wpu3x4p4.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <1bb5e765-6599-4076-b9c7-11b416a48db7@default> <87aa94f6-345b-4339-a444-6f3e712f00c5@default> <87twp1fg32.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Reply-To: bruce.connor.am@gmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1446684962 28978 80.91.229.3 (5 Nov 2015 00:56:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 00:56:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 05 01:56:01 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zu8qK-0003wI-JR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2015 01:55:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57925 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zu8qJ-0001M8-VR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:55:55 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48932) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zu8qF-0001Id-7w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:55:52 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zu8qE-0005ix-6A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:55:51 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-lb0-x22b.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c04::22b]:35145) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zu8qD-0005iq-W0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:55:50 -0500 Original-Received: by lbbes7 with SMTP id es7so24726732lbb.2 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 16:55:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=33Cx4S++DvaKcvMdjSNfBPl6NXmXCDLumqgcu+aG5NE=; b=VjvwKCCLsKB2gzWDJdY8lafiLnFAcdVOMdhX1QAVUb7eekFa2fdvhAFOO87lElN3dW KHv7FPR6LgyAHPU+FbyRfsAKYqOQtY1mecczXdHvOg1e6WtLlwkvsv8kRphODAHb5dUD RaRKfNg5cnvfFFwIGYdyzvLfc5txjtxStbZVLvz7k4bJ4CgeO6R8X1iFhDzV0QneAKoO T86KbHaTM9wPZa47QHHjYRj2BcILskCZVfAEGLgQkVrepyO/P/jv7387cfIKbVcZoHAY YxKqF0da8O4i1Ztp/VZQHPxqjrZX6lmiyC7i5NW++vNaFOoSohPZH3JCFe34xGsNE/Ax wZBw== X-Received: by 10.112.184.196 with SMTP id ew4mr2378644lbc.17.1446684948748; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 16:55:48 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.112.63.70 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:55:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87twp1fg32.fsf@mail.linkov.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: lv4-QGi09xpAHFG_SkNztNBMxvA X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c04::22b X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:193259 Archived-At: 2015-11-05 0:24 GMT+00:00 Juri Linkov : >>> If you could add a link on that page to your proposed change, it would = help >>> focus our discussion. >> >> Here we go: >> http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/Isearch-prompt-proposal > > After learning about [F1 m] it might become too distracting to see > it permanently. I understand that people are worried about this, but: 1) The help buffer you get from typing `F1 m' will tell you how to disable the reminder (there'll be a variable, of course). 2) I really don't think it'll be that distracting. On large screens it'll be over 100 spaces to the right of the search string. On small screens we can make it so that it doesn't appear at all (just to make sure the prompt doesn't get crowded). > Of course, like =E2=80=98inhibit-startup-screen=E2=80=99 we could create > a customization =E2=80=98inhibit-isearch-message-help=E2=80=99, Yes, something like this would surely exist. > but everyone has to make an effort to disable it, that's not too nice. Or just ignore it. :-) > A better option is to allow customization of the whole isearch echo area > like =E2=80=98mode-line-format=E2=80=99 is used to customize the mode-lin= e. This sounds like a fine suggestion, but completely orthogonal to the current dicussion. The question here is: would it be an overall improvement to add a (disableable) small reminder to the right edge of the echo-area? i.e., would the benefit to people who've never seen the isearch help outweigh the annoyance of those who'll want to disable it.