bug#38264: 27.0.50; Emacs terminates unexpectedly when noninteractive is t

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* bug#38264: 27.0.50; Emacs terminates unexpectedly when noninteractive is t
@ 2019-11-19  2:51 Ihor Radchenko
  2019-11-19 16:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Ihor Radchenko @ 2019-11-19  2:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 38264

When I try to run the following code, graphical emacs window terminates
losing all the unsaved data.

(setq debug-on-error t)
(let ((noninteractive t))
  (/ 1 0))

The problem is reproducible with emacs -Q.
Running the code without debug-on-error set to t does not trigger
termination. 

Best,
Ihor

In GNU Emacs 27.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, cairo version 1.16.0)
 of 2019-11-18 built on yantar92-laptop
Repository revision: ccb8bbd581adac2cc1c770c266b5fd52da5c9402
Repository branch: master
Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12005000
System Description: Gentoo/Linux

Configured using:
 'configure --prefix=/usr --build=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
 --host=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu --mandir=/usr/share/man
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 --program-suffix=-emacs-27-vcs --includedir=/usr/include/emacs-27-vcs
 --infodir=/usr/share/info/emacs-27-vcs --localstatedir=/var
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 'CFLAGS=-march=broadwell -pipe -O2' CPPFLAGS= 'LDFLAGS=-Wl,-O1
 -Wl,--as-needed''

Configured features:
XAW3D XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG CAIRO IMAGEMAGICK SOUND GPM DBUS GLIB
NOTIFY INOTIFY ACL GNUTLS LIBXML2 FREETYPE ZLIB LUCID X11 XDBE XIM
MODULES THREADS PDUMPER LCMS2 GMP

Important settings:
  value of $LANG: en_US.utf8
  value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=imsettings
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* bug#38264: 27.0.50; Emacs terminates unexpectedly when noninteractive is t
  2019-11-19  2:51 bug#38264: 27.0.50; Emacs terminates unexpectedly when noninteractive is t Ihor Radchenko
@ 2019-11-19 16:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
  2019-11-19 16:57   ` Ihor Radchenko
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2019-11-19 16:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ihor Radchenko; +Cc: 38264

tags 38264 notabug
thanks

> From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 10:51:39 +0800
> 
> When I try to run the following code, graphical emacs window terminates
> losing all the unsaved data.
> 
> (setq debug-on-error t)
> (let ((noninteractive t))
>   (/ 1 0))
> 
> The problem is reproducible with emacs -Q.
> Running the code without debug-on-error set to t does not trigger
> termination. 

This is a feature: in non-interactive mode entering a debugger
displays the backtrace and then kills Emacs.

Why are you binding noninteractive to t while debug-on-error is
enabled?





^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread

* bug#38264: 27.0.50; Emacs terminates unexpectedly when noninteractive is t
  2019-11-19 16:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2019-11-19 16:57   ` Ihor Radchenko
  2019-11-20 15:59     ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Ihor Radchenko @ 2019-11-19 16:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 38264

> This is a feature: in non-interactive mode entering a debugger
> displays the backtrace and then kills Emacs.

It indeed makes sense. However, it does not make sense when
noninteractive is manually set to 't in normal interactive mode.
It may be difficult to see this backtrace if emacs was started graphically.
Note that package.el, for example, can set noninteractive to 't at some 
point (see package-generate-autoloads), even if emacs is otherwise
interactive. 

> Why are you binding noninteractive to t while debug-on-error is
> enabled?

Similar to package.el, straight.el also binds noninteractive to 't when
generating autoloads. As a result, emacs sometimes terminates when
building packages (https://github.com/raxod502/straight.el/issues/431).

Regards,
Ihor

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> tags 38264 notabug
> thanks
>
>> From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com>
>> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 10:51:39 +0800
>> 
>> When I try to run the following code, graphical emacs window terminates
>> losing all the unsaved data.
>> 
>> (setq debug-on-error t)
>> (let ((noninteractive t))
>>   (/ 1 0))
>> 
>> The problem is reproducible with emacs -Q.
>> Running the code without debug-on-error set to t does not trigger
>> termination. 
>
> This is a feature: in non-interactive mode entering a debugger
> displays the backtrace and then kills Emacs.
>
> Why are you binding noninteractive to t while debug-on-error is
> enabled?

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* bug#38264: 27.0.50; Emacs terminates unexpectedly when noninteractive is t
  2019-11-19 16:57   ` Ihor Radchenko
@ 2019-11-20 15:59     ` Eli Zaretskii
  2019-11-20 16:35       ` Ihor Radchenko
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2019-11-20 15:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ihor Radchenko, Artur Malabarba; +Cc: 38264

> From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com>
> Cc: 38264@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 00:57:18 +0800
> 
> > This is a feature: in non-interactive mode entering a debugger
> > displays the backtrace and then kills Emacs.
> 
> It indeed makes sense. However, it does not make sense when
> noninteractive is manually set to 't in normal interactive mode.

How can Emacs distinguish between these two situations?  The value of
'noninteractive' is how it knows whether the session is an interactive
one, and your code steps on it.

> Note that package.el, for example, can set noninteractive to 't at some 
> point (see package-generate-autoloads), even if emacs is otherwise
> interactive. 
> 
> > Why are you binding noninteractive to t while debug-on-error is
> > enabled?
> 
> Similar to package.el, straight.el also binds noninteractive to 't when
> generating autoloads.

What package.el does makes little sense to me, see below.  Does
straight.el have a reason to do the same, you did you just copy the
code from package.el?

If the code in straight.el is simply a copy from package.el, then just
remove the line which binds 'noninteractive'.  You don't need it
because all it does is disable calls to 'message' inside
'autoload-generate-file-autoloads', and you already bind
'inhibit-message' to t, so no messages will be displayed anyway.

Artur, I think for the same reason we have no need to bind
'noninteractive' in 'package-generate-autoloads', or am I missing
something?

Btw, the other places in package.el which use 'inhibit-message' to
bind 'save-silently' to a non-nil value seem also redundant, since if
'inhibit-message' is non-nil, its effect is a superset of what
'save-silently' does anyway.  WDYT?

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* bug#38264: 27.0.50; Emacs terminates unexpectedly when noninteractive is t
  2019-11-20 15:59     ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2019-11-20 16:35       ` Ihor Radchenko
  2019-11-20 17:37         ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Ihor Radchenko @ 2019-11-20 16:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii, Artur Malabarba; +Cc: 38264

> How can Emacs distinguish between these two situations?  The value of
> 'noninteractive' is how it knows whether the session is an interactive
> one, and your code steps on it.

I agree that it indeed conforms with the manual (though it might make
sense to add a note to the manual that setting noninteractive manually
can cause issues). 
I am also wondering why there is no error shown in the terminal when
emacs is terminated after executing the code I provided.
I tried to run emacs in batch mode directly like

$ emacs -Q --batch --eval '(/ 1 0)'
Arithmetic error

As expected, emacs prints "Arithmetic error" in the output.
However, if I just run emacs -Q and execute the same with noninteractive
bound to t, no output is produced in the terminal, which is very
misleading since no clue is provided why emacs was terminated.

Also, it seems that kill-emacs-hook is not called when emacs is
terminated in the above situation. Does not sound right for me. 

> What package.el does makes little sense to me, see below.  Does
> straight.el have a reason to do the same, you did you just copy the
> code from package.el?

I suspect that it was just copying. Will forward your question to the
straight.el author.

Regards,
Ihor

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com>
>> Cc: 38264@debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 00:57:18 +0800
>> 
>> > This is a feature: in non-interactive mode entering a debugger
>> > displays the backtrace and then kills Emacs.
>> 
>> It indeed makes sense. However, it does not make sense when
>> noninteractive is manually set to 't in normal interactive mode.
>
> How can Emacs distinguish between these two situations?  The value of
> 'noninteractive' is how it knows whether the session is an interactive
> one, and your code steps on it.
>
>> Note that package.el, for example, can set noninteractive to 't at some 
>> point (see package-generate-autoloads), even if emacs is otherwise
>> interactive. 
>> 
>> > Why are you binding noninteractive to t while debug-on-error is
>> > enabled?
>> 
>> Similar to package.el, straight.el also binds noninteractive to 't when
>> generating autoloads.
>
> What package.el does makes little sense to me, see below.  Does
> straight.el have a reason to do the same, you did you just copy the
> code from package.el?
>
> If the code in straight.el is simply a copy from package.el, then just
> remove the line which binds 'noninteractive'.  You don't need it
> because all it does is disable calls to 'message' inside
> 'autoload-generate-file-autoloads', and you already bind
> 'inhibit-message' to t, so no messages will be displayed anyway.
>
> Artur, I think for the same reason we have no need to bind
> 'noninteractive' in 'package-generate-autoloads', or am I missing
> something?
>
> Btw, the other places in package.el which use 'inhibit-message' to
> bind 'save-silently' to a non-nil value seem also redundant, since if
> 'inhibit-message' is non-nil, its effect is a superset of what
> 'save-silently' does anyway.  WDYT?






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* bug#38264: 27.0.50; Emacs terminates unexpectedly when noninteractive is t
  2019-11-20 16:35       ` Ihor Radchenko
@ 2019-11-20 17:37         ` Eli Zaretskii
  2019-11-20 23:22           ` Artur Malabarba
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2019-11-20 17:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ihor Radchenko; +Cc: 38264, bruce.connor.am

> From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com>
> Cc: 38264@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 00:35:50 +0800
> 
> I am also wondering why there is no error shown in the terminal when
> emacs is terminated after executing the code I provided.

Probably because your stderr is redirected to some great void in a GUI
session.

> I tried to run emacs in batch mode directly like
> 
> $ emacs -Q --batch --eval '(/ 1 0)'
> Arithmetic error

Yes, that goes to stderr, which is in batch mode connected to the
console.

> I suspect that it was just copying. Will forward your question to the
> straight.el author.

Thanks.





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* bug#38264: 27.0.50; Emacs terminates unexpectedly when noninteractive is t
  2019-11-20 17:37         ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2019-11-20 23:22           ` Artur Malabarba
  2019-11-21  3:37             ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Artur Malabarba @ 2019-11-20 23:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 38264, Ihor Radchenko

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I think I may have been mistakenly included here. :-)
 I'm not the author of straight.el and I don't see the author in this
thread.

Artur

On Wed, 20 Nov 2019, 2:37 pm Eli Zaretskii, <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:

> > From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com>
> > Cc: 38264@debbugs.gnu.org
> > Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 00:35:50 +0800
> >
> > I am also wondering why there is no error shown in the terminal when
> > emacs is terminated after executing the code I provided.
>
> Probably because your stderr is redirected to some great void in a GUI
> session.
>
> > I tried to run emacs in batch mode directly like
> >
> > $ emacs -Q --batch --eval '(/ 1 0)'
> > Arithmetic error
>
> Yes, that goes to stderr, which is in batch mode connected to the
> console.
>
> > I suspect that it was just copying. Will forward your question to the
> > straight.el author.
>
> Thanks.
>

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* bug#38264: 27.0.50; Emacs terminates unexpectedly when noninteractive is t
  2019-11-20 23:22           ` Artur Malabarba
@ 2019-11-21  3:37             ` Eli Zaretskii
  2019-11-21 11:15               ` Artur Malabarba
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2019-11-21  3:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: bruce.connor.am; +Cc: 38264, yantar92

> From: Artur Malabarba <bruce.connor.am@gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 20:22:12 -0300
> Cc: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com>, 38264@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> I think I may have been mistakenly included here. :-)
>  I'm not the author of straight.el and I don't see the author in this thread. 

You made the change in package.el that uses inhibit-message's value to
bind noninteractive, and also made other similar changes in
package.el.  That's why I CC'ed you.

But if you don't remember making that change, or its reasons, that's
fine' I can take it from here.

Thanks.





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* bug#38264: 27.0.50; Emacs terminates unexpectedly when noninteractive is t
  2019-11-21  3:37             ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2019-11-21 11:15               ` Artur Malabarba
  2019-11-21 14:22                 ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Artur Malabarba @ 2019-11-21 11:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 38264, Ihor Radchenko

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Ah sorry. I got confused cause somebody said they were contacting the
author at the same time I was added.

No, I don't remember the specific reasons why I change that. I may have had
something to do with avoiding prompts or reducing the amount of message
output produced by package.el (I remember working on that) but that's just
guessing.

Artur

On Thu, 21 Nov 2019, 12:37 am Eli Zaretskii, <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:

> > From: Artur Malabarba <bruce.connor.am@gmail.com>
> > Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 20:22:12 -0300
> > Cc: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com>, 38264@debbugs.gnu.org
> >
> > I think I may have been mistakenly included here. :-)
> >  I'm not the author of straight.el and I don't see the author in this
> thread.
>
> You made the change in package.el that uses inhibit-message's value to
> bind noninteractive, and also made other similar changes in
> package.el.  That's why I CC'ed you.
>
> But if you don't remember making that change, or its reasons, that's
> fine' I can take it from here.
>
> Thanks.
>

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* bug#38264: 27.0.50; Emacs terminates unexpectedly when noninteractive is t
  2019-11-21 11:15               ` Artur Malabarba
@ 2019-11-21 14:22                 ` Eli Zaretskii
  2019-11-22 14:38                   ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2019-11-21 14:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: bruce.connor.am; +Cc: 38264, yantar92

> From: Artur Malabarba <bruce.connor.am@gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 08:15:40 -0300
> Cc: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com>, 38264@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> No, I don't remember the specific reasons why I change that. I may have had something to do with avoiding
> prompts or reducing the amount of message output produced by package.el (I remember working on that) but
> that's just guessing. 

No worries, I will fix that shortly.





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* bug#38264: 27.0.50; Emacs terminates unexpectedly when noninteractive is t
  2019-11-21 14:22                 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2019-11-22 14:38                   ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2019-11-22 14:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: yantar92; +Cc: 38264-done

> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 16:22:23 +0200
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> Cc: 38264@debbugs.gnu.org, yantar92@gmail.com
> 
> > From: Artur Malabarba <bruce.connor.am@gmail.com>
> > Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 08:15:40 -0300
> > Cc: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com>, 38264@debbugs.gnu.org
> > 
> > No, I don't remember the specific reasons why I change that. I may have had something to do with avoiding
> > prompts or reducing the amount of message output produced by package.el (I remember working on that) but
> > that's just guessing. 
> 
> No worries, I will fix that shortly.

Done.

I'm therefore closing this bug, since the rest of it is in
straight.el, which is not part of Emacs.





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