From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Artur Malabarba Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Customizable modes and package.el Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 10:48:20 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87fv8mcz6h.fsf@gmail.com> <450F4FF4-8ABE-4BC2-B944-67D10971EEC7@gmail.com> Reply-To: bruce.connor.am@gmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11401266095e800524053736 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1446979711 6270 80.91.229.3 (8 Nov 2015 10:48:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 10:48:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel To: David Reitter Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 08 11:48:30 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZvNWN-0005EM-Pn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Nov 2015 11:48:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46858 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZvNWM-0006BR-Uk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Nov 2015 05:48:26 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42770) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZvNWI-00068R-5Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Nov 2015 05:48:23 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZvNWH-0005Dt-Bt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Nov 2015 05:48:22 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-lf0-x22a.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c07::22a]:35103) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZvNWH-0005Dp-4i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Nov 2015 05:48:21 -0500 Original-Received: by lfbn126 with SMTP id n126so88201908lfb.2 for ; Sun, 08 Nov 2015 02:48:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=NWdPz0Yqps9cXnGHrjSD2N2AQGqqoE1oDv/+50/CAFQ=; b=BfbrgRdjZ3+5gBHPwxw/z8TDn8f70zdggECTplqY+zaleKMLq5ug8q/r6k3YAq/A5X 8LyLKLmeIgGZ5deIL9kdHvJ1vKO/iP/CHdg2zLu1fmK8gdpatug9giB4rjjJEmIb3ar5 EW6+EgvnTVERrPFZGJZRaSmQ3Ux5yXdVjXlx2wfSBI6qRyUgBLZGWpdtYMdCxmfhBjZw McNZYtUKXdssL5MscwsZ2eUnaHlrHPtrOS/001ZV8xvgSZ5wRD48P14nxjjE1ifacZ6R 973MkE85AaEYdXowh7+5xkWCzdoe5IyM+2axVj+voiRrdO5cv4fzfLxOMQ2WNbBJnwk7 GaKg== X-Received: by 10.25.164.134 with SMTP id n128mr6939582lfe.3.1446979700348; Sun, 08 Nov 2015 02:48:20 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.112.63.70 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Nov 2015 02:48:20 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.112.63.70 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Nov 2015 02:48:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <450F4FF4-8ABE-4BC2-B944-67D10971EEC7@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: WrziefcoFyjdzowwvEGr2njI3fQ X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c07::22a X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:193594 Archived-At: --001a11401266095e800524053736 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 8 Nov 2015 3:26 am, "David Reitter" wrote: > > > > Exactly. So, for these reasons, "the solution" is to add > > "(package-initialize)" in the ~/.emacs file. > > See also Bug#21858. > > Adding (package-initialize) to a user-controlled file is ugly if it has the consequence that it breaks startup of any older Emacs on the system. > Also, note that the action is not undoable from the menus, even though installing a package can be done via the menu. Alternatives to this have been discussed here before, but haven't been done simply because nobody did them. I can dig up the conversations if you'd like. Like I've said. I'm not thrilled about changing the file, but I still consider that better than the alternative. --001a11401266095e800524053736 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On 8 Nov 2015 3:26 am, "David Reitter" <david.reitter@gmail.com> wrote:<= br> > >
> > Exactly.=C2=A0 So, for these reasons, "the solution" is= to add
> > "(package-initialize)" in the ~/.emacs file.
>
> See also Bug#21858.
>
> Adding (package-initialize) to a user-controlled file is ugly if it ha= s the consequence that it breaks startup of any older Emacs on the system.<= br> > Also, note that the action is not undoable from the menus, even though= installing a package can be done via the menu.

Alternatives to this have been discussed here before, but ha= ven't been done simply because nobody did them. I can dig up the conver= sations if you'd like.

Like I've said. I'm not thrilled about changing the = file, but I still consider that better than the alternative.

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