From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Artur Malabarba Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Calling (package-initialize) sooner during initialization Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 19:32:57 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87383xk4ia.fsf@taylan.uni.cx> <55329AD9.4090303@yandex.ru> <87lhhpi9ns.fsf@taylan.uni.cx> Reply-To: bruce.connor.am@gmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1429381984 30959 80.91.229.3 (18 Apr 2015 18:33:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 18:33:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel , Stefan Monnier , Dmitry Gutov To: =?UTF-8?B?VGF5bGFuIFVscmljaCBCYXnEsXJsxLEvS2FtbWVy?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 18 20:33:03 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YjXY6-00057h-Pd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 20:33:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46549 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YjXY6-000596-6M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 14:33:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43082) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YjXY3-00058o-1G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 14:32:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YjXY2-0001lg-7Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 14:32:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lb0-x230.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c04::230]:33104) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YjXY1-0001lc-VT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 14:32:58 -0400 Original-Received: by lbbzk7 with SMTP id zk7so104448506lbb.0 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 11:32:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EDSggysB3ULCkjihzGEuOLV3a19bWE0dNTK3/2Th0AA=; b=uEAXaqhnZ2JHFTYUV8zPjPe8T1OPP6aSZuDrDeSK7OaBuzMag6iyYap/ZVGFSEg7jS S+FN6VAVkHKYhCK810yvKPUUgPubIsUChs8OPQ0/vwlbQs7rCbtVTNBL1IciMUZzkEW3 DbMe+sXKnWnYHz2xRaDY7KWbLPfa0wXfjioouTf+XfbkoGjuwYAeiRA5uVTWT8n/EmWf KBPFYw2lqj4CDaMD6kW5xdGzdQBQrH7uEn9oRx81UOxizjysWZRNLnJTUvQlzb62uOxh dt9Q7j6iKRk6LY6wXPZCX/Qsc3t1xA4HS0G8BejrPIGyqH+yXa6/sZsAwgEWjGtgXOZm mKag== X-Received: by 10.152.43.110 with SMTP id v14mr9162899lal.4.1429381977198; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 11:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.25.150.1 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Apr 2015 11:32:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87lhhpi9ns.fsf@taylan.uni.cx> X-Google-Sender-Auth: zp6S4TlU6hC_VTlFX3py77CkEyU X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c04::230 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:185629 Archived-At: 2015-04-18 19:16 GMT+01:00 Taylan Ulrich Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1/Kammer : > We probably don't want to apply Customize settings before (or at the > start of) loading init.el, do we? That's yet another discussion. I usually tell people to place their custom-set-variables at the top of their init file. Otherwise, if you install a new theme and try to `(load-theme 'theme-name)' in your init file, you'll get problems because `custom-safe-themes' hasn't been set yet. At the same time, it can't just be automatically loaded before the init-file, because a lot of people might setq the `custom-file' variable to something else. > Does anyone see disadvantages with this design? I think it's the most > sensible approach. The only problem I see is the added complexity, which I'm mostly ok with. But I'd hopefully like to hear from more than 3 people on this.