From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Artur Malabarba Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Package installation messages Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 23:38:30 +0100 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: bruce.connor.am@gmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c243e21405b10516126312 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1431643134 2500 80.91.229.3 (14 May 2015 22:38:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 22:38:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel To: Bozhidar Batsov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 15 00:38:53 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Yt1mE-0004VW-5U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 May 2015 00:38:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56961 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yt1mD-0002mH-7E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 May 2015 18:38:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56326) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yt1ly-0002gc-AC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 May 2015 18:38:35 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yt1lx-0004G4-BQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 May 2015 18:38:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-la0-x234.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c03::234]:34150) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yt1lx-0004E6-2P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 May 2015 18:38:33 -0400 Original-Received: by laat2 with SMTP id t2so90009789laa.1 for ; Thu, 14 May 2015 15:38:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=WSaucJbU2+VBBohQZ/7jTN05ex+PlQJ4oTRV6X7tA9w=; b=iuGJSfQDDAshL223zX0NAbIqnwtPmRICeVHkVWdhzSjB/oSxVnc/2da4PunyG45gfx erJ0XNSt6KPUA1F44E3X1pmkBN/BvcABgnR/Gt0RDaMlRQaUi0Gge32iXMzocPX6poMk UAZHNFrGPwPILs/RPynS6KskLjR4MUp3Y87RkvxD8DAwEu7ruETsn2A6FoLm9qrxh2jP dXGKFkBLt6y0KOhOTcl6zApHOGBhTDkNxDI5vJfKeicLwlMVc8ZhGFmNJto6b8RhIHEu 0x8FHoXlNhybQEUyqva9bRciOg9BtSNsiWkyJ+Pu6LKZOzKk3wrwiiLgeMzSDN5ZNkU1 AHDg== X-Received: by 10.152.7.239 with SMTP id m15mr4653423laa.95.1431643111030; Thu, 14 May 2015 15:38:31 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.25.150.1 with HTTP; Thu, 14 May 2015 15:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.25.150.1 with HTTP; Thu, 14 May 2015 15:38:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Google-Sender-Auth: hHF5kVW86I_nxNYfTtFmfyk5Bd8 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c03::234 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:186497 Archived-At: --001a11c243e21405b10516126312 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > When I updated my Emacs from master a few days ago I noticed that package installation has been changed significantly: > > * the process starts with the super cryptic message "Transaction started" > * the process ends with the super cryptic message "Transaction done" What do you think could make them less cryptic? I'd rather not spam the echo area with progress reports. > * you get no visual indication that something is being done Yes, something should at least be added to the mode line process. > * package compilation warnings are now to visible That's intentional. The warnings buffer is still created, but I think it's bad user experience to pop up a bunch of warnings that are not the user's fault. --001a11c243e21405b10516126312 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> When I updated my Emacs from master a few days ago I no= ticed that =C2=A0package installation has been changed significantly:
>
> * the process starts with the super cryptic message "Transaction = started"
> * the process ends with the super cryptic message "Transaction do= ne"

What do you think could make them less cryptic? I'd rath= er not spam the echo area with progress reports.

> * you get no visual indication that something is being = done

Yes, something should at least be added to the mode line pro= cess.

> * package compilation warnings are now to visible

That's intentional. The warnings buffer is still created= , but I think it's bad user experience to pop up a bunch of warnings th= at are not the user's fault.

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