From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Artur Malabarba Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Package installation messages Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 08:56:39 +0100 Message-ID: References: <55552452.7050703@yandex.ru> <55553712.2050608@yandex.ru> Reply-To: bruce.connor.am@gmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3f5be2d042c05161a2f93 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1431676608 2015 80.91.229.3 (15 May 2015 07:56:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 07:56:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Dmitry Gutov , Bozhidar Batsov , emacs-devel To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 15 09:56:47 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YtAUB-0001H0-7c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 May 2015 09:56:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58287 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YtAUA-0001aI-KW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 May 2015 03:56:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59971) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YtAU6-0001TD-MS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 May 2015 03:56:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YtAU5-000124-0B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 May 2015 03:56:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-la0-x22a.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c03::22a]:34897) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YtAU4-00011o-OS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 May 2015 03:56:40 -0400 Original-Received: by labbd9 with SMTP id bd9so107415371lab.2 for ; Fri, 15 May 2015 00:56:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=oZJ13JsiSCEAo2uz4EdqZsYUF+4pTElkYQvHmCHiSRU=; b=gXahu4DUlEhs8Cgf4OyEJU02YU+RhtI1a+eqZYN7rVMpzYcNDzVsvive955aDSB95g seSsHGVsKOY/+2Vo8sF03ArokQa+VgVPvkCSHdV9HVTJ7a4FZzsq5TqXULuBAU1thATX QZ2HKAJJNACenxBjR4EMECkDcdsrfoocL6gVIZXXLfOWqnPa8BWEBdTQ/nieLb0vjq0f 8MsuJ0CqNrGP1s6holo6wLROEesDsWCq4nuq62yMiRIcKrj+GPDpf0BdDv98AEvFvq3F DZJYCsA8nKJ/ruW+uja2+/6EAuROvke+qjK+mOyB8ENPEEj+C5baHVFEoAo02X9C1pEp fWyg== X-Received: by 10.112.25.69 with SMTP id a5mr6252289lbg.16.1431676599991; Fri, 15 May 2015 00:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.25.150.1 with HTTP; Fri, 15 May 2015 00:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.25.150.1 with HTTP; Fri, 15 May 2015 00:56:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Google-Sender-Auth: G5d0d6z4RKflz-WZKlT-TOC7hiQ X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c03::22a X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:186509 Archived-At: --001a11c3f5be2d042c05161a2f93 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On May 15, 2015 3:00 AM, "Stefan Monnier" wrote: > > >> 1. Keep the feature but disable by default. Async refreshing would still > >> be enabled. > > I'd rather we not keep options for behavior nobody has specifically > > asked for. > > I asked for it. But after using it I agree that it sucks UI-wise. > I think to make it work better, we'd need to make the download and the > install more separate. E.g. when the download is done, rather than go > ahead and perform the install, inform the user that the download is done > and the install process can proceed, but wait for the user to > explicitly say "install now". It'd be nice if someone did this, but that's a non trivial effort atm. package.el just unpacks the package as soon as it's downloaded, so this needs to be changed before we can have a prompt between download and install. --001a11c3f5be2d042c05161a2f93 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On May 15, 2015 3:00 AM, "Stefan Monnier" <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
>
> >> 1. Keep the feature but disable by default. Async refreshing = would still
> >> be enabled.
> > I'd rather we not keep options for behavior nobody has specif= ically
> > asked for.
>
> I asked for it.=C2=A0 But after using it I agree that it sucks UI-wise= .
> I think to make it work better, we'd need to make the download and= the
> install more separate.=C2=A0E.g. when the download is done, rather tha= n go
> ahead and perform the install, inform the user that the download is do= ne
> and the install process can proceed, but wait for the user to
> explicitly say "install now".

It'd be nice if someone did this, but that's a non t= rivial effort atm. package.el just unpacks the package as soon as it's = downloaded, so this needs to be changed before we can have a prompt between= download and install.

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