From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Ken Manheimer Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Adding advisory notification for non-ELPA package.el downloads Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 11:36:05 -0400 Message-ID: References: <371dc591-fc65-61b9-3eda-be09a5e653a8@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11479b4a91a6c50553f8583b" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1499701415 8022 195.159.176.226 (10 Jul 2017 15:43:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 15:43:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org" , Dmitry Gutov To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 10 17:43:30 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dUaqO-0001fs-PG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 17:43:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41472 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dUaqU-00048A-8j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 11:43:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56260) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dUajg-0007pf-GW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 11:36:33 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dUajf-0005Vh-K5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 11:36:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qt0-x229.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::229]:33888) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dUaje-0005UL-1f; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 11:36:30 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-qt0-x229.google.com with SMTP id 32so75939041qtv.1; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 08:36:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=jrQpP0Zlol7vztoL0ZDZZ38Ab5ACLtd5AMglgTBFzCs=; b=ueuopEPxdGedqBHsSQ/77qbH+53m2TwwG6CbqLV/2ExsO6KroafVCV4Xr8syrTMCBB 7rKp3Q0jmyDyAWjj7HzipWL+pv84l9t7toVVF73aBRLJ0D8CKLUhxowT3wt/gCN4GfMs EmpEy+GIkBp4uI4twVn533MAh84ARx6xviMjHex6tzfrq7j3o+DlTssTsDk9YyUwZex5 BLhiU7UQo6hqJoaqWxEtQk/jvJfVbXukL7wiZaTwBAdQ5DZL8RDCELHtjPUeVDJJyFi8 JT6LEWUB+BXg8UixpZEfXVgXvKjiPXdUUN2eqoE01DIzs9y8NPfaAP/ACbjgdAEl5r8X CcSw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=jrQpP0Zlol7vztoL0ZDZZ38Ab5ACLtd5AMglgTBFzCs=; b=tGSykmFmtqw2N0FnoJ+t/gTInvvajCrUjf2F6eqLWvWqUUPZzbm5a65mAibQ3KjUSP HY3P4ALP5i9ZxVQGTJ/Hl7weVJP5yeftc7bMQvJWoHQFz2dGO1ZnFkbQdyN3PmWGNw98 nxuxSN+rCEn+6pDqwyjyGblWA/qgIefYE7pMu64OT8b/EhCxNPxiwQbbkUmyTo7XHXj5 7ixkf7vv+3Icb8WG9kNI9ElCFUf1xNZ7337Uc7gTqcY/5bj5vvCzqL8M9pIhI5oC5Puw ftrDrfg5CYLAbOmD8ryKJeVWrySPu4f2Z7s2Mxl7prGO58vna1jfQAvADqNqkvNiPY78 Iysw== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw113kBVl1Otasv3S53I6yk1fPRxvREo0jELTt5cO0Cg63bstudEIA PbPVJEDgPyDzBij294+4mlXVXgx5++N+ X-Received: by 10.200.52.129 with SMTP id w1mr5367553qtb.77.1499700986484; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 08:36:26 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.12.186.41 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 08:36:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::229 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:216413 Archived-At: --001a11479b4a91a6c50553f8583b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:27 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: > [...] > > The nagging approach can just as likely alienate users. > > A message at most once a week, that is on the screen for a short time, > is hardly "nagging". That's a misleading way to think about it. If every major facility on a machine was nonchalant about some random once-per-week notification, you could potentially have several to hundreds per day. (I sometimes feel like it's towards the more extreme end on the rare occasions that I fire up Windows machines.) Righteous as the specific purpose might or might not be, it will be another interruption in the escalating battle for users stray attention, in which users are the losers. A properly targeted notification is delivered when someone is initiating actions specifically for the purpose that the notification addresses. I'm not sure where that would be in this case, but hearing "once per week" suggests to me that it's randomly targeted, as part of an activity that sometimes and sometimes doesn't include the specific activity. Ken --001a11479b4a91a6c50553f8583b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:27 AM, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org<= /a>> wrote:
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=C2=A0 > The nagging approach can just as likely alienate users.

A message at most once a week, that is on the screen for a short tim= e,
is hardly "nagging".

That's a= misleading way to think about it. If every major facility on a machine was= nonchalant about some random once-per-week notification, you could potenti= ally have several to hundreds per day. (I sometimes feel like it's towa= rds the more extreme end on the rare occasions that I fire up Windows machi= nes.) Righteous as the specific purpose might or might not be, it will be a= nother interruption in the escalating battle for users stray attention, in = which users are the losers.

A properly targeted no= tification is delivered when someone is initiating actions specifically for= the purpose that the notification addresses. I'm not sure where that w= ould be in this case, but hearing "once per week" suggests to me = that it's randomly targeted, as part of an activity that sometimes and = sometimes doesn't include the specific activity.

Ken
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