From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Ken Manheimer Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Adding advisory notification for non-ELPA package.el downloads Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 11:41:37 -0400 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045e6be24f06030553f86cef" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1499701449 13962 195.159.176.226 (10 Jul 2017 15:44:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 15:44:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Yann Hodique , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 10 17:44:04 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dUaqw-0003L7-Q7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 17:44:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41473 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dUar2-0004Qj-7x for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 11:44:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58704) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dUaq0-0004PA-Uq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 11:43:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dUapz-0000cA-KH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 11:43:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qt0-f175.google.com ([209.85.216.175]:33468) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dUapv-0000aS-05; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 11:42:59 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-qt0-f175.google.com with SMTP id r30so76106812qtc.0; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 08:42:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=kArSHcpaq/oAOB1KEQbPCWWsI5ULGw9tex0hVwv8uEg=; b=Mfo8ie/O0+Q5MpvsJkNB5znpfSJLhZSsKWRzPcYNUDDUNJWLQrVt6X7PTFN+m02kcy Ke9yQPoXNwUVr0ET8ppW4GDKuyNchQOIJlGrOaVt8aqFlOm12es3pqIOa4IsBb8Zwdnp sYXeBo5liXE+s4xzfTobvWbmvrtJxovIpmxIJUKl4P2+9QbzoPDZ5S/iyVV9CZNTEimK 2hmM7FDFPQPDQ8JMCCU15BT9k8t16p4cgMQGB675YD7KxdPzFFpzGheMMmAbf33EZYK9 WLF9K8rXK89B6WxWyE+iVIiRVKWsWW14oV6yaSfyCh02QZxRdxSlnio50hhe8qW1FYtH PWtw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=kArSHcpaq/oAOB1KEQbPCWWsI5ULGw9tex0hVwv8uEg=; b=cs0H9JHyEmaw0HwxDHq9ig6c7Z1D4cn6XJBB8/+DQdFL6ORSyly8vlCYPJd7Ha8dcq KFLfbgY6eHoxdGJ89D63aR9smxjIQHte+QK4fUqjX0oRu0lM1oXgMHe/gsgfA4J2z/JD QFqcz3tCjrWAhxrL0B1YTB7PXzPcR0k1hvsBB2jj8liHp/MyM4dD4b903as6JpcSBOWB go0qt+BOKx5vAeqQ+IfbTVRMYM+tSQyz5kmqIEdKWrVfI/WGnjfrfFzjysLM+pHJmzBR VLfWSIF9VQ4em3HweSP1rmkN3pGmSghVEOkiJBIvAQJtBKaVEbxlR+4o6asXkKvkK5Bt /78Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw112RsGIAmLt9B+y+sxpY5O7tSoK2dq0m7FmEYTNIAyznDtD7gvWK 0rTwwyW+hKrn8vjdmLNu6UUb4UWBH6WH X-Received: by 10.200.59.74 with SMTP id r10mr4844894qtf.162.1499701317664; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 08:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.12.186.41 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jul 2017 08:41:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.216.175 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:216414 Archived-At: --f403045e6be24f06030553f86cef Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:29 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > Proactively contacting elisp developers to ask them if they would > > consider a copyright assignment (mentioning the benefit of potential > > bundling with Emacs, along with the rest of the implications) seems > much > > more OK to me. > > That would entail searching for people who are just starting packages > and sending each one mail. I agree it would give better results -- if > we could do it. But it would be a lot of work. Who would do the > work? And how would we find people that are just starting > to get contributions to their packages? > This is starting to zero in on a specific activity where informing the user about the ELPA process would be appropriate. How about enlisting the support of the various package repositories (MELPA and etc.), so they provide notices to people establishing packages that the additional steps to include their package in ELPA, including doing their own copyright assignment and prompting their (prospective) contributors for copyright assignment early on in the process, is good for Emacs and for their packages... > It isn't better if it isn't feasible. > The approach you proposed is only one option, there are others. Ken > > -- > Dr Richard Stallman > President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) > Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) > Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. > > > --f403045e6be24f06030553f86cef Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:29 AM, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org<= /a>> wrote:
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents read= ing my email: please consider=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,=C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]<= br>
=C2=A0 > Proactively contacting elisp developers to ask the= m if they would
=C2=A0 > consider a copyright assignment (mentioning the benefit of pote= ntial
=C2=A0 > bundling with Emacs, along with the rest of the implications) s= eems much
=C2=A0 > more OK to me.

That would entail searching for people who are just starting package= s
and sending each one mail.=C2=A0 I agree it would give better results -- if=
we could do it.=C2=A0 But it would be a lot of work.=C2=A0 Who would do the=
work?=C2=A0 And how would we find people that are just starting
to get contributions to their packages?

This is starting to zero in on a specific activity where informing the use= r about the ELPA process would be appropriate.

How= about enlisting the support of the various package repositories (MELPA and= etc.), so they provide notices to people establishing packages that the ad= ditional steps to include their package in ELPA, including doing their own = copyright assignment and prompting their (prospective) contributors for cop= yright assignment early on in the process, is good for Emacs and for their = packages...
=C2=A0
It isn't better if it isn't feasible.
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