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* bug#34889: [RFE] Migration to gitlab
@ 2019-03-17  2:17 Konstantin Kharlamov
  2019-03-17  3:01 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
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  0 siblings, 5 replies; 287+ messages in thread
From: Konstantin Kharlamov @ 2019-03-17  2:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 34889; +Cc: emacs-devel

I want to start by answering first likely question: the Community 
Edition of gitlab should be fine license-wise, quoting Richard Stallman 
"We have a simple way of looking at these two versions. The free 
version is free software, so it is ethical."¹

Terms: "merge request" in gitlab means "patch series sent for review".

----

It makes me sad, seeing Emacs addons popping up, for a functional that 
better could've been implemented in core. It's a lot of contributors 
out there; at the same time, I see very little patches on emacs-devel 
list.

A lot of open-source projects already migrated to gitlab: all 
FreeDesktop projects, all Gnome projects; and KDE are likely to migrate 
soon too². Gnome reports: "After switching to GitLab, I noticed almost 
immediately an increase in contributions from people I hadn’t met 
before. I think GitLab really lowered the threshold for people getting 
started"³.

So, at the very least, migrating to gitlab should make contributions 
easier for bigger part of the open-source world, peoples who used to 
github and gitlab. (btw, here's a rarely mentioned point, why in 
particular mailing-list workflow is hard for newcomers: almost every 
mail client out there breaks formatting by default; and configuring 
that out isn't always easy).

Other points include:
	1. I know some people like to operate with mails rather than 
web-interface (which is what usual gitlab workflow based on). For them 
gitlab can be configured to be managed with mails. I don't know how far 
it stretches, but at the very least creating/replying to issues/merge 
requests can be enabled.⁴
	2. Gitlab makes addressing review comments easier. With mailing lists 
workflow you either need to α) send a v2 of the patch; which is a 
little frustrating: you need to find message-id to feed it to 
git-send-email, and then you need to make sure its title lines up with 
the rest of the series. Or β) resend whole patch-series; which can be 
just redundant when all you did was a one-line change, and clutters the 
mailing list. Also, upon sending v3, v4, etc. you need to save 
somewhere changes since v1. You can put it in actual commits, but for 
git-history this information is unnecessary. With gitlab workflow, on 
the other hand, you just force-push changes to the branch that has 
merge-request opened. A single command, that it.
	3. CI. I've recently seen someone on emacs-devel⁵ asking a 
contributor to run their syntax-checking script on a regular basis. 
That's becase you can't run any check on a code hanging out there on a 
mailing list in pure air. Gitlab supports CI, i.e. one can set it up to 
run unit-tests for every merge-request created, so these errors get 
caught before getting to the tree; and possibly even before getting to 
eyes of reveiwers.
	4. Impossible to lose "merge request". I've seen in Emacs docs an 
advice to send patch series to a bugtracker, because on emacs-devel 
they can easily be forgotten. That can't happen so easily with gitlab, 
where you have a tab with open merge requests.
	5. Discussion on patch series is easier to read. On mailing lists can 
quickly appear a dozen of no longer relevant review mails, that refer 
to something that was addressed. In Gitlab the addressed comments can 
be marked as such, and get collapsed.
	6. More tightly integrated bugtracker. When a commit refers to an 
issue, it can be seen from inside the issue. This is useful e.g. when 
someone fixed a problem, but for some reason couldn't address review 
comments, leaving the code behind. Then later peoples who stumble upon 
the same issue can just improve the code instead of doing research and 
writing it on their own.
	7. Unclear how to download a patch-series from mailing list. Usually 
mailing-list driven projects add some system that tracks patches, and 
allows to download series. E.g. that's how Mesa worked. But Emacs don't 
seem to have one. With gitlab though you can simply fetch someone's 
branch.

1: 
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2015-03/msg00095.html
2: 
http://kde.6490.n7.nabble.com/Gitlab-Evaluation-amp-Migration-td1708416.html
3: https://www.gnome.org/news/2018/05/gnome-moves-to-gitlab-2/
4: https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/administration/incoming_email.html
5: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2019-03/msg00131.html







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2019-03-17  2:17 bug#34889: [RFE] Migration to gitlab Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17  3:01 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17  3:34   ` bug#34889: " Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17  8:20     ` Tim Cross
2019-03-17  9:51       ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-17 11:16       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17 18:05         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-19  0:52           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-19  1:43             ` Glenn Morris
2019-03-19  1:50               ` Glenn Morris
2019-03-20  2:28                 ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-19  7:57               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-19  7:27             ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-19  8:47               ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-19 12:31                 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-19 12:46                   ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-19 11:03               ` Ergus
2019-03-19  7:45             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-19 14:13               ` Dmitry Gutov
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2019-03-19 18:15                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-19 21:59                   ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-20  6:13                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-20  6:56                       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-20  7:23                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-21  8:28                           ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-21  9:02                             ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-21  9:48                               ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-21  9:59                                 ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-21 17:54                                   ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-21 19:03                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-23 21:19                                       ` Toon Claes
2019-04-24  7:06                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-25  7:52                                           ` Toon Claes
2019-03-22 10:37                                     ` Marcin Borkowski
2019-03-22 10:56                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-03-22 18:52                                         ` Marcin Borkowski
2019-03-23  0:37                                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-03-22 11:24                                       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 12:38                                         ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-22 13:27                                           ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 13:57                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 13:17                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 13:50                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 14:05                                           ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 14:20                                           ` Teemu Likonen
2019-03-22 14:29                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 14:54                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 15:19                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 15:38                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 15:58                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-23 21:58                                             ` Juri Linkov
2019-03-22 14:41                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-23  2:33                                         ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-23  7:18                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-23 14:04                                             ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-23 14:28                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-24  6:29                                                 ` Van L
2019-03-24 11:22                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-24  1:44                                             ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-22 10:01                           ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 10:16                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 10:34                               ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 13:44                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 14:36                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-22 14:57                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 17:01                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-22 15:28                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 12:43                             ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-03-22 13:05                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 13:30                               ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 13:44                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 16:46                                   ` Glenn Morris
2019-03-22 18:56                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 13:32                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 13:48                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 14:37                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 14:50                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-22 15:31                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 16:46                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-22 16:23                                     ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-22 16:37                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 16:48                                         ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-22 17:22                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 16:52                                       ` Glenn Morris
2019-03-22 16:57                                         ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-22 17:24                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-24 13:53                                             ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-24 15:52                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-25 16:29                                                 ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-25 17:09                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-25 17:52                                                     ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-25 17:56                                                       ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-25 17:54                                                     ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-22 18:50                                           ` Glenn Morris
2019-03-22 19:00                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-22 17:23                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-20 23:26                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-21  5:43                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-21  7:58                               ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-25  1:17                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-25  8:17                                   ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-25  1:06                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-25  9:22                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-25 10:35                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-25 10:55                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-25 15:01                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-25 19:54                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-25 23:16                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-26  7:52                                             ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-26 12:49                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-26 13:03                                                 ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-26  8:05                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-27  1:40                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-27  9:43                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-15  2:04                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15  2:30                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-15  5:42                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-15 13:45                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 14:34                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16  3:57                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-16 13:41                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 13:48                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-16 14:09                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 14:34                                                               ` debbugs extensions (was: [RFE] Migration to gitlab) Michael Albinus
2019-05-16 23:40                                                                 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-05-17  7:30                                                                   ` debbugs extensions Michael Albinus
2019-05-17  8:40                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17  9:25                                                                       ` Michael Albinus
2019-05-17 10:45                                                                     ` Noam Postavsky
2019-05-15 13:37                                                   ` [RFE] Migration to gitlab Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-16  3:54                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-04-26  8:42                                         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-04-26 19:41                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-20  1:02                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-18  1:48         ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-18  2:41           ` Tim Cross
2019-03-18 13:19             ` Van L
2019-03-19  2:15             ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-19 14:24               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-20  2:33                 ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-18 16:14           ` Karl Fogel
2019-03-17 16:48   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-03-17 18:05     ` Amin Bandali
2019-03-17  3:39 ` bug#34889: " Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-17  4:04   ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17 15:19     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-17  3:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-17 12:37 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-17 13:14   ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-17 13:23     ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17 13:49       ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-17 14:06         ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17 14:26           ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-17 15:06   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-17 16:55     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-17 17:45       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-17 17:29     ` Alex
2019-04-18  8:27       ` Toon Claes
2019-04-20 21:12         ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-23 21:08           ` Toon Claes
2019-04-24 15:26             ` Alex Gramiak
2019-04-25  8:24               ` Toon Claes
2019-04-25 13:45                 ` Alex Gramiak
2019-04-25  0:42             ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-25  8:32             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10  9:16               ` Toon Claes
2019-05-10  9:49                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 10:37                   ` 조성빈
2019-05-10 12:21                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 13:09                       ` 조성빈
2019-05-10 22:23                       ` Alex Gramiak
2019-05-11  2:12                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-05-11  3:47                           ` 조성빈
2019-05-11  7:01                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11  7:38                               ` 조성빈
2019-05-11 10:02                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 13:13                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-11 13:49                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 13:57                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-11 14:04                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 19:25                                   ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-11 19:25                               ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-11 19:24                             ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-11 19:22                           ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-12 15:50                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-05-12 20:51                               ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-06-18 15:36                                 ` Simon Leinen
2019-06-25 22:38                                   ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-06-26 18:01                                     ` Simon Leinen
2019-06-26 18:21                                       ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-12  0:58                           ` Alex Gramiak
2019-05-11  6:32                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-12  0:23                           ` Alex Gramiak
2019-05-12  5:31                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-12  7:04                               ` Tassilo Horn
2019-05-12 13:56                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13  4:32                                 ` Tassilo Horn
2019-05-13 14:51                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 18:24                                     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-05-13 16:41                                   ` [OFFTOPIC] size of issue tracker (was: [RFE] Migration to gitlab) Stefan Monnier
2019-05-13 17:42                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 18:55                                       ` [OFFTOPIC] size of issue tracker Stefan Monnier
2019-05-13 18:59                                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-13 19:16                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-13 18:59                                       ` Tassilo Horn
2019-05-13 20:02                                         ` Tassilo Horn
2019-05-13 20:11                                           ` Tassilo Horn
2019-05-13 20:56                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-14  8:43                                         ` Toon Claes
2019-05-14 19:58                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15  7:45                                       ` Toon Claes
2019-05-15 14:04                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15 14:41                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 17:54                                     ` Clemens Radermacher
2019-05-16 19:58                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-16 23:19                                         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-05-16 23:31                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-19 19:34                                       ` Juri Linkov
2019-05-19 20:12                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-19 20:46                                           ` Juri Linkov
2019-05-20 11:57                                           ` Toon Claes
2019-05-20 12:29                                             ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-10 11:16                   ` [RFE] Migration to gitlab Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-10 12:54                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 13:56                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-10 14:19                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 14:32                           ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-05-10 14:56                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-10 15:16                               ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-05-10 15:00                           ` 조성빈
2019-05-10 15:26                             ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-05-11 12:13                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 15:37                                 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-05-11 15:51                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 15:57                                     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-05-13  8:47                                   ` Toon Claes
2019-05-10 16:33                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-10 20:43                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 21:12                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-11  6:13                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11  6:16                                   ` 조성빈
2019-05-11 12:16                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 12:34                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-11 12:40                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 13:29                                           ` Amin Bandali
2019-05-11 13:58                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 14:06                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 14:42                                                 ` Amin Bandali
2019-05-11 14:57                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 16:09                                                     ` Amin Bandali
2019-05-11 14:11                                               ` Amin Bandali
2019-05-11 15:41                                   ` 조성빈
2019-05-13  9:23                                     ` Toon Claes
2019-05-10 21:32                               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-10 21:56                               ` Alex Gramiak
2019-05-11  6:22                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 19:19                               ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-13  1:43                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-13  1:45                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-13 14:48                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 18:14                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-13  9:03                             ` Toon Claes
2019-05-13 18:22                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-14 10:23                                 ` EMBA enable Reply by Email (was: [RFE] Migration to gitlab) Toon Claes
2019-05-10 14:02                       ` [RFE] Migration to gitlab Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-10 14:28                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 14:54                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-10 15:34                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 16:23                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-05-12 19:09                         ` Juri Linkov
2019-05-12 22:24                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-14 13:13                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-10 14:02                   ` Debbugs problems (was: [RFE] Migration to gitlab) Stefan Monnier
2019-05-10 14:24                     ` Debbugs problems Michael Albinus
2019-05-10 15:16                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13  1:09                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-13 14:27                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 17:56                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-13 18:03                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 18:57                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-14 14:36                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 20:20                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-14 14:36                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 10:41                 ` [RFE] Migration to gitlab Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-10 15:23                   ` Toon Claes
2019-05-10 13:48                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-17 17:49 ` Eli Zaretskii

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