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From: Noah Lavine <noah.b.lavine@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>,
	Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org>,
	Emacs development discussions <Emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: (0 <= i && i < N) is not "backwards"
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 10:58:28 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+U71=OWrZ85Kkvg1ECHL8QrP6XBfsc2WUm+1NsFX=-Y=3va5A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83obe71qew.fsf@gnu.org>

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Hello,

To continue a tangent, if adding an explicit isnan() makes the code run any
slower, I think you should file a bug with GCC to get that fixed.

In general, I really dislike the idea of adjusting coding style to work
around a compiler's limitations. If the compiler is broken, I think it's
best to fix it and move on.

Thanks,
Noah Lavine


On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:

> > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 07:35:51 -0700
> > From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
> > CC: schwab@linux-m68k.org, Emacs-devel@gnu.org
> >
> > On 03/25/2013 01:20 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> >
> > > Out of fairness, you introduced this style into Emacs sources
> >
> > I've certainly used it in the changes I made, and as a result it's
> > become more popular, but I did not introduce it.  That style has
> > been used in Emacs, as a minority style, for many years.
>
> AFAIR, it was once a negligible minority at best, so much so that I
> don't remember it being used.  That was in the days that the only
> style enforced in the Emacs sources was what the GNU Coding Standards
> say, btw.  That's what allowed "minority styles" in the first place.
>
> > > If we want our code to be robust in the face of NaNs, we should
> > > probably use 'isnan' explicitly
> >
> > That will slow the code down and make it harder to read.
>
> I disagree; there's nothing unclear in a call to isnan, and the
> slow-down is negligible, if it exists at all, and won't be noticed in
> the context of Emacs, which doesn't pretend to be a fast
> number-cruncher anyway.
>
> > Perhaps a
> > comment could be introduced; but must we really add a comment
> > "watch out for NaNs!" every time we have a floating point comparison?
>
> Such comments would be even worse.
>
> But the problem with relying on 0 < foo is that most people won't even
> consider the subtle difference between that and !(foo >= 0) when NaNs
> are involved.  Calling isnan makes that explicit.
>
> Anyway, this issue is tangential to the style issue.
>
>

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-03-25 14:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-24 23:14 (0 <= i && i < N) is not "backwards" Paul Eggert
2013-03-24 23:53 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-03-25 14:23   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-25 14:59     ` Andreas Schwab
2013-03-25  8:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-25 14:35   ` Paul Eggert
2013-03-25 14:53     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-25 14:58       ` Noah Lavine [this message]
2013-03-25 15:09         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-25 15:28           ` Noah Lavine
2013-03-25 16:49       ` Paul Eggert
2013-03-25 16:59         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-30 21:45 ` Jim Meyering

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