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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325919 Archived-At: --000000000000b3e0920628351318 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One data point. From the Arch Linux Wiki ( https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GNU): While most GNU software also provides man pages > , the Info documents tend to > be more comprehensive. To view an Info document, simply enter: $ info *page_name* Admittedly, Arch Linux is a niche Linux distribution. On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 at 22:06, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Arsen Arsenovi=C4=87 > > Cc: jb@jeremybryant.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org > > Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2024 19:08:40 +0100 > > > > > So I don't see how that move could damage the reputation of Texinfo. > > > > Emacs is extremely niche, while reading the documentation of various GN= U > > packages is not. Ergo, we recommend people to read documentation using > > info (see e.g. help2man generated output) - as we should. > > Actually, I believe most people read the HTML version of the Texinfo > documentation. > > > > Do you have any information to suggest that many people use the > > > stand-alone reader? > > > > Do you have information to suggest that many people use the in-Emacs > > reader? I certainly do use it, so we can put that a mark on the > > chalkboard. > > I think Emacs users use Emacs (of course), and the rest read the > manuals in their HTML format. I have yet to see a number of people > who use the stand-alone reader that cannot be counted on the fingers > of a single hand. (And don't misunderstand me: I think the > stand-alone Info reader is great, and personally invested quite a few > efforts in developing and porting it. My Windows port of Texinfo, > routinely available from the ezwinports site, is one of a couple, > perhaps even the only one, which includes a fully functional Windows > port of the stand-alone Info reader.) > > Anyway, the initiative for moving info.info to Emacs was from the > Texinfo developers (I'm sure you can find the relevant discussions in > the archives). So if you think it should be moved back, feel free to > take it up with them. > > --000000000000b3e0920628351318 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
One data point. From the Arch Linux = Wiki (https://wiki.archlin= ux.org/title/GNU):

While most GNU software also provides man p= ages, the Info documents tend to be more comprehensive. To view an Info= document, simply enter:
$ info page_name
Admitt= edly, Arch Linux is a niche Linux distribution.


On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 at 22:06, Eli Z= aretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> From: Arsen A= rsenovi=C4=87 <arse= n@aarsen.me>
> Cc: jb@jeremy= bryant.net,=C2=A0 emacs-devel@gnu.org,=C2=A0 rms@gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2024 19:08:40 +0100
>
> > So I don't see how that move could damage the reputation of T= exinfo.
>
> Emacs is extremely niche, while reading the documentation of various G= NU
> packages is not.=C2=A0 Ergo, we recommend people to read documentation= using
> info (see e.g. help2man generated output) - as we should.

Actually, I believe most people read the HTML version of the Texinfo
documentation.

> > Do you have any information to suggest that many people use the > > stand-alone reader?
>
> Do you have information to suggest that many people use the in-Emacs > reader?=C2=A0 I certainly do use it, so we can put that a mark on the<= br> > chalkboard.

I think Emacs users use Emacs (of course), and the rest read the
manuals in their HTML format.=C2=A0 I have yet to see a number of people who use the stand-alone reader that cannot be counted on the fingers
of a single hand.=C2=A0 (And don't misunderstand me: I think the
stand-alone Info reader is great, and personally invested quite a few
efforts in developing and porting it.=C2=A0 My Windows port of Texinfo,
routinely available from the ezwinports site, is one of a couple,
perhaps even the only one, which includes a fully functional Windows
port of the stand-alone Info reader.)

Anyway, the initiative for moving info.info to Emacs was from the
Texinfo developers (I'm sure you can find the relevant discussions in the archives).=C2=A0 So if you think it should be moved back, feel free to<= br> take it up with them.

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