From: "Johan Myréen" <johan.myreen@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2024 15:04:37 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+TD5hiyS91hGHj_BezJaXLrnUKUj_m-bpqQ9rsbzq0_MRG7EA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <867c8k7aig.fsf@gnu.org>
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One data point. From the Arch Linux Wiki (
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GNU):
While most GNU software also provides man pages
> <https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Man_page>, the Info documents tend to
> be more comprehensive. To view an Info document, simply enter:
$ info
*page_name*
Admittedly, Arch Linux is a niche Linux distribution.
On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 at 22:06, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> > From: Arsen Arsenović <arsen@aarsen.me>
> > Cc: jb@jeremybryant.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org
> > Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2024 19:08:40 +0100
> >
> > > So I don't see how that move could damage the reputation of Texinfo.
> >
> > Emacs is extremely niche, while reading the documentation of various GNU
> > packages is not. Ergo, we recommend people to read documentation using
> > info (see e.g. help2man generated output) - as we should.
>
> Actually, I believe most people read the HTML version of the Texinfo
> documentation.
>
> > > Do you have any information to suggest that many people use the
> > > stand-alone reader?
> >
> > Do you have information to suggest that many people use the in-Emacs
> > reader? I certainly do use it, so we can put that a mark on the
> > chalkboard.
>
> I think Emacs users use Emacs (of course), and the rest read the
> manuals in their HTML format. I have yet to see a number of people
> who use the stand-alone reader that cannot be counted on the fingers
> of a single hand. (And don't misunderstand me: I think the
> stand-alone Info reader is great, and personally invested quite a few
> efforts in developing and porting it. My Windows port of Texinfo,
> routinely available from the ezwinports site, is one of a couple,
> perhaps even the only one, which includes a fully functional Windows
> port of the stand-alone Info reader.)
>
> Anyway, the initiative for moving info.info to Emacs was from the
> Texinfo developers (I'm sure you can find the relevant discussions in
> the archives). So if you think it should be moved back, feel free to
> take it up with them.
>
>
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Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-11-30 12:56 Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Jeremy Bryant
2024-11-30 13:25 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-11-30 13:38 ` Arsen Arsenović
2024-11-30 14:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-30 18:08 ` Arsen Arsenović
2024-11-30 20:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-30 21:09 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-12-01 6:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-02 3:00 ` Texinfo reputation (was: Re: [External] : Re: Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release) Max Nikulin
2024-12-02 12:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03 2:51 ` Texinfo reputation Max Nikulin
2024-12-03 12:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03 18:51 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-05 4:56 ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-05 7:45 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-06 4:47 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-01 9:53 ` Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Arsen Arsenović
2024-12-01 10:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01 10:54 ` Arsen Arsenović
2024-12-01 13:04 ` Johan Myréen [this message]
2024-12-04 6:09 ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-30 13:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01 4:02 ` Sean Whitton
2024-12-01 7:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01 8:36 ` Sean Whitton
2024-12-01 10:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01 11:13 ` Sean Whitton
2024-12-05 5:05 ` Making the GNU C Manual easier to find in Info Richard Stallman
2024-12-05 6:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05 7:25 ` Integration of Info manuals in programming modes; was: " Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-05 7:46 ` Integration of Info manuals in programming modes Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05 8:52 ` Visuwesh
2024-12-05 9:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05 9:49 ` Visuwesh
2024-12-05 11:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05 11:28 ` Visuwesh
2024-12-05 12:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05 12:39 ` Visuwesh
2024-12-05 14:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-15 8:26 ` Visuwesh
2024-12-08 8:13 ` Integration of Info manuals in programming modes, " James Thomas
2024-12-08 8:38 ` James Thomas
2024-12-08 11:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-08 20:10 ` Björn Bidar
[not found] ` <86msh5b48w.fsf@gmx.net>
2024-12-10 1:08 ` James Thomas
[not found] ` <87zfl60wbw.fsf@>
2024-12-08 20:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-11 4:32 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-13 23:54 ` Björn Bidar
[not found] ` <87msgzp2a9.fsf@>
2024-12-14 19:11 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-16 4:02 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-05 10:06 ` Stephen Berman
2024-12-05 15:07 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-05 16:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-09 4:58 ` Integration of Info manuals in programming modes; was: Making the GNU C Manual easier to find in Info Richard Stallman
2024-12-09 22:49 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-11 4:35 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-02 4:10 ` Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Richard Stallman
2024-12-02 12:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03 23:03 ` [ELPA] New package c-intro-and-ref -- was " Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-04 12:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-04 22:58 ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-05 5:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-07 13:30 ` Improving info-look.el for (c) -was- " Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-07 15:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05 5:03 ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-05 18:47 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-05 19:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-06 10:44 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-06 12:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-06 22:40 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-05 19:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-12-05 20:35 ` chad
2024-12-06 4:57 ` Visuwesh
2024-12-06 10:42 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-06 14:58 ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-06 16:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-08 16:41 ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-08 5:15 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-08 7:15 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-12-08 16:50 ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-11 4:32 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-12 3:22 ` Debian package with GNU manuals (was: Re: [ELPA] New package c-intro-and-ref) Max Nikulin
2024-12-04 20:02 ` [ELPA] New package c-intro-and-ref -- was Re: Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Suhail Singh
[not found] ` <87wmgf9h70.fsf@jeremybryant.net>
2024-12-04 23:52 ` Suhail Singh
2024-12-07 13:21 ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-08 20:44 ` Suhail Singh
2024-12-07 4:22 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-07 12:29 ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-07 14:55 ` Björn Bidar
[not found] ` <87h67fr18v.fsf@>
2024-12-10 5:38 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-13 23:44 ` Björn Bidar
[not found] ` <87r06bp2qm.fsf@>
2024-12-14 21:19 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-15 6:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-16 4:02 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-05 5:05 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-05 6:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03 20:07 ` Björn Bidar
[not found] ` <87cyi8h6n8.fsf@>
2024-12-07 16:02 ` Björn Bidar
2024-12-08 5:10 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-08 20:07 ` Björn Bidar
2024-12-09 15:11 ` Improve access to documentation in Info format (was: Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release) Suhail Singh
2024-12-11 4:37 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-11 14:13 ` Improve access to documentation in Info format Suhail Singh
2024-12-13 23:41 ` Björn Bidar
[not found] ` <87v7vnp2vx.fsf@>
2024-12-14 21:16 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-16 4:03 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-16 4:03 ` Richard Stallman
[not found] ` <874j3e2b2i.fsf@>
2024-12-11 4:32 ` Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Richard Stallman
2024-12-08 23:03 ` John ff
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