From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Robert Weiner Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Make mode-line number display consistent when both line and col numbers are shown. Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 15:17:37 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87fub6ugw4.fsf@yandex.com> <878tgxvoyz.fsf@yandex.com> <83r2up5q19.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rswgnu@gmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c0600bc913cd1055a58e2e4" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1506712703 1867 195.159.176.226 (29 Sep 2017 19:18:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 19:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: John Wiegley , Emacs Development , Richard Copley , Colin Baxter , Jose Arroyo , Kaushal Modi , Eli Zaretskii To: Yuri Khan Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 29 21:18:18 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dy0nf-0008Jc-MQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 21:18:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36722 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dy0nm-0005NV-Rb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 15:18:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55550) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dy0nf-0005NE-O3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 15:18:16 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dy0ne-0006mc-OS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 15:18:15 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:51717) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dy0nZ-0006gx-CN; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 15:18:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qk0-f171.google.com ([209.85.220.171]:52348) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dy0nY-0000uh-SZ; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 15:18:08 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-qk0-f171.google.com with SMTP id o77so599095qke.9; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 12:18:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaUY2mJMGtoT32gcmoAsmhb8Ma73Z7Cj7g9T5Wn6Y/bPL/8qm5lO YkAt+XuaKks6tEoCZzyQbi6TxLgdvmtwFL4gX34= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QCJdldb/GwaKvPqXka3a5fEnVJiCbH91J7/iF1LzibDvivRI9+e54KIxy/nNcVMAT/rtUHy8cNP8tXabLm0u4A= X-Received: by 10.55.161.85 with SMTP id k82mr4765935qke.156.1506712688342; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 12:18:08 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.237.34.225 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Sep 2017 12:17:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:218937 Archived-At: --94eb2c0600bc913cd1055a58e2e4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Yuri Khan wrote: > > There is no ambiguity between line and column number. Line, as the > most significant item, obviously goes to the left, while the least > significant column goes to the right. Same as hundreds:tens:ones. Same > as /home/myuser/mydir/myfile. Same as year-month-day > hour:minute:second. (Contrary to site.domain.tld though.) > =E2=80=8BThis is not the way an average user might think. He'll see the nu= mbers (16,18)=E2=80=8B, will have to pause his thinking, will say to himself, is = the line number 16 or 18 again. Wait, let me move the cursor around and check. Oh, I see now. He will have wasted his time and broken his train of thought. I bet it even happens to more advanced users. If anybody likes explicitly labeled line and column numbers together, I would chime in now if you want to see any near term changes. So far, I think opinion expressed is split with slightly more people preferring the explicit labeling. Bob --94eb2c0600bc913cd1055a58e2e4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Fri, Sep 29, 2= 017 at 2:48 PM, Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan@gmail.com> wrote:

There is no ambiguity between line and column number. Line, as the
most significant item, obviously goes to the left, while the least
significant column goes to the right. Same as hundreds:tens:ones. Same
as /home/myuser/mydir/myfile. Same as year-month-day
hour:minute:second. (Contrary to site.domain.tld though.)
<= div>
=E2=80=8BThis is not the way an average user might think.=C2=A0 H= e'll see the numbers (16,18)=E2=80=8B, will have to pause his thinking,= will say to himself, is the line number 16 or 18 again.=C2=A0 Wait, let me= move the cursor around and check.=C2=A0 Oh, I see now.=C2=A0 He will have = wasted his time and broken his train of thought.=C2=A0 I bet it even happen= s to more advanced users.

If anybody likes explicitly labeled line a= nd column numbers together, I would chime in now if you want to see any nea= r term changes.
So far, I think opinion expressed is split with slightly m= ore people preferring the explicit labeling.

Bob

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