From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Weiner Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Adding a "misconceptions about Emacs" FAQ on the website Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:05:20 -0400 Message-ID: References: <5782EE5F.4000505@gmail.com> <83zipockgh.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rswgnu@gmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1468249611 23584 80.91.229.3 (11 Jul 2016 15:06:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 15:06:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel To: =?UTF-8?B?Q2zDqW1lbnQgUGl0LS1DbGF1ZGVs?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 11 17:06:50 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bMcnG-0000vV-Tt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 17:06:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34180 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bMcnG-0005jn-3Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:06:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42864) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bMcmU-0005jg-6s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:05:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bMcmO-0005En-A7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:05:57 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:48788) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bMcmO-0005Ej-6c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:05:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-oi0-f50.google.com ([209.85.218.50]:33623) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bMcmN-0005Tf-5S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:05:51 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-oi0-f50.google.com with SMTP id u201so151331737oie.0 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 08:05:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLbaGdUJSCdMeLFZkyyMvyr8Y0Xuo3R862lOWT5qJgOG7uIWTEnC0qxHJzDdY2qkFUUbZq1ENDWo7zWQQ== X-Received: by 10.157.6.3 with SMTP id 3mr11068698otn.143.1468249550158; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 08:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.202.199.143 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 08:05:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83zipockgh.fsf@gnu.org> X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205549 Archived-At: On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> The top three I get are, from least to most frequent: >> >> * I'd love to use Emacs, but (I hear) it's very slow to start Ask them how long their brain takes to start up and how often they shut it down and restart it. Tell them Emacs is like that. If they don't understand the parallel, then they may never be a good user candidate :-) >> * The keybindings are scary Maybe because there are many of them, but similarly to the first point above, people who do not care for logically arranged structures that provide powerful capabilities will not be good candidates for usage. Those who do appreciate such things can easily be convinced with a bit of investigation. Emacs has the most logical and repeated use of key bindings of virtually any program in use today. >> (Answers include CUA-mode and viper/evil) Yes, you can emulate pretty much anything they might be comfortable with already. >> >> * I could learn Emacs, but vi(m) is more useful because it's available everywhere >> (Answer is Tramp, which I've found people to be very impressed by) Having one location with pre-built, easily one click downloadable and installable Emacs packages for all major platforms certainly would help in such regard. >> >> Ideally, if people like the idea of an FAQ, we could discuss top items to include; I'm not too interested in starting a thread about Emacs vs. the world. Emacs is for people who want an `environment' that continues to empower them across time. vi and similar tools are for people who want point tools that augment another environment that they use all the time. Bob