From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Antonio Gervasoni Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19792: Emacs and Voiceover Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 11:39:52 -0500 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b47204e166c55050e6e139a X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1423242636 26211 80.91.229.3 (6 Feb 2015 17:10:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 17:10:36 +0000 (UTC) To: 19792@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 06 18:10:35 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YJmQM-0007DX-Hj for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Feb 2015 18:10:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49537 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YJmQL-0005jx-PC for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Feb 2015 12:10:33 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45940) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YJm1g-0002ru-U9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Feb 2015 11:45:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YJm1f-0002BR-Qm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Feb 2015 11:45:04 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:44566) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YJm1f-0002Ax-Kx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Feb 2015 11:45:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YJm1f-00042u-5n for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Feb 2015 11:45:03 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Antonio Gervasoni Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 16:45:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 19792 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.142324104215435 (code B ref -1); Fri, 06 Feb 2015 16:45:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Feb 2015 16:44:02 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35802 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YJm0f-00040h-Fk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Feb 2015 11:44:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42561) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YJlx9-0003uk-Gg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Feb 2015 11:40:24 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YJlx3-0000UL-48 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Feb 2015 11:40:18 -0500 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:60869) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YJlx3-0000UE-1O for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Feb 2015 11:40:17 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44274) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YJlx1-0003le-Qt for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Feb 2015 11:40:16 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YJlwz-0000Ta-Vq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Feb 2015 11:40:15 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ob0-x232.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4003:c01::232]:36840) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YJlwz-0000TJ-Ry for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Feb 2015 11:40:13 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ob0-f178.google.com with SMTP id uz6so14277220obc.9 for ; Fri, 06 Feb 2015 08:40:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=6iriL7HCRhBzxZ7T27rH65DY9ArU7Bbf2hwn6dEQxbY=; b=p2sRsPKWzR46vWvcrpOvVjSAlJ62PXnO6+0XBGbsgW9AUcY3slnIhq7F7rZ3thAbjm FhME8Ltf16BXU+VqhITua3YYB/yi28uzwRcu757O6NWLxs/ncWkZ17mPqcSc96/1r6ux 74QSKvKvx5qxvrm/Ism8W3SqVB5yi8qg004ukOQIi5NQK7lhms2xLYhwcVXr/WNhozZA /W6IanTfrWaN3j0XjdbwQZzONRVvEPZhBHfYvUtPd2y6oQ4CsalRDiGA7ZT/eFy/DAgh +CsrY95IzxIxfsQxGD1asSk5SSVGTetOEQpdcC6aViEgpkyLA4ShrzCJeDwi8mU79AsU oEnQ== X-Received: by 10.60.133.20 with SMTP id oy20mr3051456oeb.55.1423240812977; Fri, 06 Feb 2015 08:40:12 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.76.145.200 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Feb 2015 08:39:52 -0800 (PST) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 11:43:59 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:99105 Archived-At: --047d7b47204e166c55050e6e139a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, What I'd like to report is not exactly a bug (or maybe it is) and I'm not really sure if you could fix it or if I should be writing to someone else. I have a blind student who would benefit a lot from using Emacs but, unfortunately, it doesn't work for him because he's on a Mac and Voiceover can't read information correctly from the Emacs window (I have installed the "Emacs for Mac OS X" that can be downloaded from here ). A blind friend who runs Emacs on Linux has told me that Orca has the same problem and that emacspeak is the only solution that worked for him. The method of installation of emacspeak on a Mac is pretty obscure. I have been able to find a few old pages with dozens of steps and none of them guarantee that it will work. And, besides, I don't have the necessary skills to try that approach either. I wonder if the problem with Voiceover could be solved from the Emacs side (because, expecting Apple to to anything is of course ridiculous), which may also solve the problem with Orca. If there's anything on your power to solve this, I'm sure a lot of people would be very grateful, including me and my student. If not, could you please point me out to whom I could write for help? Sincerely, Antonio Gervasoni --047d7b47204e166c55050e6e139a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

What I'd like to report is not = exactly a bug (or maybe it is) and I'm not really sure if you could fix= it or if I should be writing to someone else.

I h= ave a blind student who would benefit a lot from using Emacs but, unfortuna= tely, it doesn't work for him because he's on a Mac and Voiceover c= an't read information correctly from the Emacs window (I have installed= the "Emacs for Mac OS X" that can be downloaded from here). A blind friend who runs Emacs on Lin= ux has told me that Orca has the same problem and that emacspeak is the onl= y solution that worked for him.

The method of inst= allation of emacspeak on a Mac is pretty obscure. I have been able to find = a few old pages with dozens of steps and none of them guarantee that it wil= l work. And, besides, I don't have the necessary skills to try that app= roach either.

I wonder if the problem with Voiceov= er could be solved from the Emacs side (because, expecting Apple to to anyt= hing is of course ridiculous), which may also solve the problem with Orca.<= /div>

If there's anything on your power to solve thi= s, I'm sure a lot of people would be very grateful, including me and my= student. If not, could you please point me out to whom I could write for h= elp?

Sincerely,

Antonio G= ervasoni
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