Status of MobileOrg on IOS??

Status of MobileOrg on IOS??

[David Masterson]

I've asked this before and I'll probably continue asking as I move in
and out of using it, but...

What's the development status of MobileOrg -- particularly on IOS?  From
what I see, it appears that development is stalled.  My attempts at
trying to use it show the following:

* It seems to work even on my iPhone 6 as far as it goes
* It only seems to support basic viewing and minimal editting
* The documentation is minimal with few use-case examples
* The newsgroups suggest MobileOrg for IOS and Android have diverged
* Not too sure how to use it with DropBox

Who is running MobileOrg and what's its status?
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David Masterson
Programmer At Large

Re: Status of MobileOrg on IOS??

[Guido Van Hoecke]

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Hi,

On 12 May 2015 at 18:43, David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've asked this before and I'll probably continue asking as I move in
> and out of using it, but...
>
> What's the development status of MobileOrg -- particularly on IOS?  From
> what I see, it appears that development is stalled.  My attempts at
> trying to use it show the following:
>
> * It seems to work even on my iPhone 6 as far as it goes
> * It only seems to support basic viewing and minimal editting
> * The documentation is minimal with few use-case examples
> * The newsgroups suggest MobileOrg for IOS and Android have diverged
> * Not too sure how to use it with DropBox
>
> Who is running MobileOrg and what's its status?
>

​I am using it on an iPhone 5, but basically as a one-way operation.
I use the smartphone for reading only, albeit I do some note taking via the
capture feature.​


​Guido​

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Re: Status of MobileOrg on IOS??

[David Masterson]

Guido Van Hoecke <guivho@gmail.com> writes:

> Hi,
>
> On 12 May 2015 at 18:43, David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>     I've asked this before and I'll probably continue asking as I move
>     in
>     and out of using it, but...
>     
>     What's the development status of MobileOrg -- particularly on IOS?
>     From
>     what I see, it appears that development is stalled. My attempts at
>     trying to use it show the following:
>     
>     * It seems to work even on my iPhone 6 as far as it goes
>     * It only seems to support basic viewing and minimal editting
>     * The documentation is minimal with few use-case examples
>     * The newsgroups suggest MobileOrg for IOS and Android have
>     diverged
>     * Not too sure how to use it with DropBox
>     
>     Who is running MobileOrg and what's its status?
>
> ​I am using it on an iPhone 5, but basically as a one-way operation. 
> I use the smartphone for reading only, albeit I do some note taking
> via the capture feature.​

I'm still trying to work my head around the capture feature in
MobileOrg.  Care to explain how you use it (with some detail)?  No need
to go into Elisp -- just the step-by-step process (to some degree).

-- 
David Masterson
Programmer At Large

Re: Status of MobileOrg on IOS??

[John Hendy]

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 11:43 AM, David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've asked this before and I'll probably continue asking as I move in
> and out of using it, but...
>
> What's the development status of MobileOrg -- particularly on IOS?  From
> what I see, it appears that development is stalled.  My attempts at
> trying to use it show the following:
>
> * It seems to work even on my iPhone 6 as far as it goes
> * It only seems to support basic viewing and minimal editting

What would you expect/like?

> * The documentation is minimal with few use-case examples

What topics would you like more information about, and can you provide
a use-case you need assistance with?

> * The newsgroups suggest MobileOrg for IOS and Android have diverged

This is old news, and has indeed come up many times here. Google
"mobileorg" and "mobileorg android." Separate web sites, the appending
of "android" after MobileOrg, and separate developer lists for the two
projects is a very good indicator that the two are different. That
said, matburt shows up on both sites, so perhaps he was originally
iPhone and then started his own thing? Not sure if he pulls from
iPhone development.

> * Not too sure how to use it with DropBox

This would require a specific question or details to assist with.

>
> Who is running MobileOrg and what's its status?

- Who: http://mobileorg.ncogni.to/support/
- Status: http://mobileorg.ncogni.to/development/ and
https://github.com/mobileorg/mobileorg

Regarding all of the questions above, I'd contact the app developers,
as it seems your inquiries relate to phone usage, not anything on the
Org side. From looking at ~/org.git/list/org-mobile.el, Carsten wrote
the tool from the Org-mode side. But again, all of your questions
about inquiries or wishes about the app, which I don't think we can
help with.

From skimming the mobileorg github site, it doesn't look like anyone's
really "running" it. Their most recent push appears to have been a
year ago.


John

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> David Masterson
> Programmer At Large
>
>

Re: Status of MobileOrg on IOS??

[David Masterson]

John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com> writes:

> On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 11:43 AM, David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I've asked this before and I'll probably continue asking as I move in
>> and out of using it, but...
>>
>> What's the development status of MobileOrg -- particularly on IOS?  From
>> what I see, it appears that development is stalled.  My attempts at
>> trying to use it show the following:
>>
>> * It seems to work even on my iPhone 6 as far as it goes

But will it be going further?  For instance, a Siri interface would be
really nice (or a general such interface by which a Siri interface could
be built).

>> * It only seems to support basic viewing and minimal editting
>
> What would you expect/like?

I can't (for instance) figure out how to add new items to my outlines
(both new items and subitems).

>> * The documentation is minimal with few use-case examples
>
> What topics would you like more information about, and can you provide
> a use-case you need assistance with?

A walkthrough on:

1. Why you would want to "push".
2. What exactly happens when you "push".
3. How MobileOrg "sees" what has been pushed.
4. Sync issues that might occur in the push.
5. Why you would want to "pull".
6. What exactly happens when you "pull".
7. Sync issues that might occur in the pull.
8. Safety approaches for #4 and #7.

Give a detailed, but high-level, example to ground the above topics.

>> Who is running MobileOrg and what's its status?
>
> - Who: http://mobileorg.ncogni.to/support/
> - Status: http://mobileorg.ncogni.to/development/ and
> https://github.com/mobileorg/mobileorg
>
> Regarding all of the questions above, I'd contact the app developers,
> as it seems your inquiries relate to phone usage, not anything on the
> Org side. From looking at ~/org.git/list/org-mobile.el, Carsten wrote
> the tool from the Org-mode side. But again, all of your questions
> about inquiries or wishes about the app, which I don't think we can
> help with.
>
> From skimming the mobileorg github site, it doesn't look like anyone's
> really "running" it. Their most recent push appears to have been a
> year ago.

And that makes it hard to "contact the app developers".  I'm not (yet)
doing detailed work on it, so I don't want to push them until I have
something strong to say.  I post my general questions here on the
assumption that this is the most likely central point that one (or more)
people using/developing MobileOrg would see and maybe interest would
perk up.

-- 
David Masterson
Programmer At Large

Re: Status of MobileOrg on IOS??

[John Hendy]

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 10:28 PM, David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com> wrote:
> John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 11:43 AM, David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I've asked this before and I'll probably continue asking as I move in
>>> and out of using it, but...
>>>
>>> What's the development status of MobileOrg -- particularly on IOS?  From
>>> what I see, it appears that development is stalled.  My attempts at
>>> trying to use it show the following:
>>>
>>> * It seems to work even on my iPhone 6 as far as it goes
>
> But will it be going further?  For instance, a Siri interface would be
> really nice (or a general such interface by which a Siri interface could
> be built).

But this was my point in the previous email. I don't know how anyone
on this list will know unless they develop for it. To my knowledge,
they don't and thus you're better off asking the person who might know
(vs. my estimate that those on this list don't).

>
>>> * It only seems to support basic viewing and minimal editting
>>
>> What would you expect/like?
>
> I can't (for instance) figure out how to add new items to my outlines
> (both new items and subitems).
>
>>> * The documentation is minimal with few use-case examples
>>
>> What topics would you like more information about, and can you provide
>> a use-case you need assistance with?
>
> A walkthrough on:
>
> 1. Why you would want to "push".
> 2. What exactly happens when you "push".
> 3. How MobileOrg "sees" what has been pushed.
> 4. Sync issues that might occur in the push.
> 5. Why you would want to "pull".
> 6. What exactly happens when you "pull".
> 7. Sync issues that might occur in the pull.
> 8. Safety approaches for #4 and #7.

Submit github issue/request?

>
> Give a detailed, but high-level, example to ground the above topics.
>
>>> Who is running MobileOrg and what's its status?
>>
>> - Who: http://mobileorg.ncogni.to/support/
>> - Status: http://mobileorg.ncogni.to/development/ and
>> https://github.com/mobileorg/mobileorg
>>
>> Regarding all of the questions above, I'd contact the app developers,
>> as it seems your inquiries relate to phone usage, not anything on the
>> Org side. From looking at ~/org.git/list/org-mobile.el, Carsten wrote
>> the tool from the Org-mode side. But again, all of your questions
>> about inquiries or wishes about the app, which I don't think we can
>> help with.
>>
>> From skimming the mobileorg github site, it doesn't look like anyone's
>> really "running" it. Their most recent push appears to have been a
>> year ago.
>
> And that makes it hard to "contact the app developers".  I'm not (yet)
> doing detailed work on it, so I don't want to push them until I have
> something strong to say.  I post my general questions here on the
> assumption that this is the most likely central point that one (or more)
> people using/developing MobileOrg would see and maybe interest would
> perk up.
>

Right, but that's the nature of open source/free software. Someone
awesome develops some tool X when they have the time/inclination.
That's awesome, until they perhaps don't have the time/inclination
anymore. If any of your questions re. usability/procedures are
answerable, I can definitely see this mailing list as a good avenue to
reach them. In terms of future features or development status, you're
at the mercy of the person who's good will is/was used to provide the
tool.

In any case, my primary point is that the developer(s) list their
email addresses right on the various MobileOrg sites... so I don't see
why you wouldn't start there for anything related to development.


Good luck,
John

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> David Masterson
> Programmer At Large
>
>

Re: Status of MobileOrg on IOS??

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com>:

> On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 11:43 AM, David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I've asked this before and I'll probably continue asking as I move in
>> and out of using it, but...
>> 
>> What's the development status of MobileOrg -- particularly on IOS?  From
>> what I see, it appears that development is stalled.  My attempts at
>> trying to use it show the following:
>> 
>> * It seems to work even on my iPhone 6 as far as it goes
>> * It only seems to support basic viewing and minimal editting

> What would you expect/like?

I'm not David, and I use android and not IOS, but I would like to see
habit tracking implemented, including habit tracking with comments.

It would also be nice to have tables, especially with all of the
features in emacs org.