From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: chad Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:12:37 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87hajxqlly.fsf@yandex.ru> <20130401202613.0b4201e3@anarchist> <878v51aa2l.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <80939D90-D007-4828-A622-C264E5FE27EB@mit.edu> <834nfoki0i.fsf@gnu.org> <193A25DA-1B82-4962-A11D-2CA49A0A674A@mit.edu> <83k3okizf0.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1364926363 27845 80.91.229.3 (2 Apr 2013 18:12:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 18:12:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: chad , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 02 20:13:10 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UN5hm-0004Kk-NS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 20:13:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54413 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UN5hN-00016Q-VW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 14:12:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38899) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UN5hH-0000w5-MO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 14:12:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UN5hC-0000Bv-QP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 14:12:39 -0400 Original-Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-4.mit.edu ([18.9.25.15]:63472) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UN5hC-0000Bo-Ma; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 14:12:34 -0400 X-AuditID: 1209190f-b7f586d000000915-b4-515b1f92d81a Original-Received: from mailhub-auth-3.mit.edu ( [18.9.21.43]) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-4.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 3F.C5.02325.29F1B515; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 14:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH-1.MIT.EDU [18.9.28.11]) by mailhub-auth-3.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id r32ICWDu012025; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 14:12:33 -0400 Original-Received: from [10.0.1.10] (c-98-247-148-125.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [98.247.148.125]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as yandros@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.12.4) with ESMTP id r32ICUEB019913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 2 Apr 2013 14:12:32 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83k3okizf0.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFupgleLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42IR4hTV1p0kHx1ocHSbtMXLK0eZLR4veMJq MafxJYsDs8fOWXfZPdqmmQUwRXHZpKTmZJalFunbJXBlrP62nangGnvF8W2XGBsYJ7N1MXJy SAiYSMzfuYgVwhaTuHBvPVCci0NIYB+jxPt5d6GcDYwSu35cYIJwjjFJtN8/yQjSwiygJXHj 30smEJtXQE/i2rev7CC2sIC/RFPLG6A4BwebgAzQWA2QMKeAqsTPFxvAylkEVCRaNx1iBilh FtCXeLkpC2KivMT2t3OYISZaSVxa9p0dYu0nJolPXa/AekUEFCTuvrzNCHG1rMTr529YJjAK zkJy0SwkF81CMncBI/MqRtmU3Crd3MTMnOLUZN3i5MS8vNQiXRO93MwSvdSU0k2M4ECW5N/B +O2g0iFGAQ5GJR7egk9RgUKsiWXFlbmHGCU5mJREeZdIRQcK8SXlp1RmJBZnxBeV5qQWH2KU 4GBWEuGN2wlUzpuSWFmVWpQPk5LmYFES572actNfSCA9sSQ1OzW1ILUIJivDwaEkwdsmBzRU sCg1PbUiLTOnBCHNxMEJMpwHaLgNSA1vcUFibnFmOkT+FKMuR1v751eMQix5+XmpUuK8qiBF AiBFGaV5cHNgCegVozjQW8K8jiBVPMDkBTfpFdASJqAly26FgywpSURISTUwJr2avlhRROPt lsZ4xknzVrVG77P5uGSF1SFW2/qFok56/+VydK2dt2UqLlidtM6N6XjA/rSwh6WSvFwN/L08 qxQmBy76uNQxw2XLzeu79fM2Hyy88ft6Y+aP87+uylSeXLfji2qg50vWV5uVk3v8 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 18.9.25.15 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:158560 Archived-At: On 02 Apr 2013, at 11:02, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: chad >> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 10:57:03 -0700 >> Cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org Development" >> >> I'm trying to help people (after rms asked) understand why, perhaps, >> bzr development is in it's current sorry state. I clearly stated >> up front that I was speculating and generalizing from my own >> observations, rather than stating some truths about the universe. > > And I was trying to communicate that I think Stephen came much closer > to the real reasons. Ah, I missed that in your message. I do not disagree with either you or Stephen, and you/he are probably right about the primarily causes. I intended my message to point out additional issues, since, for example, I doubt Barry Warsaw is dissuaded from working on a project simply because it's implemented in Python. :-) Thanks for helping me understand what you meant. ~Chad