From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Ergus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Some developement questions Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2018 03:41:22 +0200 Message-ID: References: <8336v6cvem.fsf@gnu.org> <8736v6icgt.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83tvnmb958.fsf@gnu.org> <877ekigiiw.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <837ekhb2me.fsf@gnu.org> <87zhxcbmtr.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83in409lub.fsf@gnu.org> <871sanb71j.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83y3cu7t9j.fsf@gnu.org> <87lg8t2ki9.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <20180827015422.lcq44zvsjffeau4j@Ergus> <83a7p76f5e.fsf@gnu.org> <87lg8p9o6y.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83pnxx1foj.fsf@gnu.org> <87k1o1a06q.fsf@russet.org.uk> <877ek1ql6u.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <19f783eb-a688-2a69-e209-ea161177c8cb@cs.ucla.edu> <87a7ov5um4.fsf@toy.adminart.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1536198909 22408 195.159.176.226 (6 Sep 2018 01:55:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 01:55:09 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Phillip Lord To: hw ,Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 06 03:55:04 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fxjVg-0005ge-Az for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2018 03:55:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58960 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fxjXm-0001Vs-PD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2018 21:57:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40902) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fxjWV-0000kg-5D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2018 21:55:58 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fxjIa-0007RM-Da for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2018 21:41:35 -0400 Original-Received: from sonic305-21.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com ([77.238.177.83]:34324) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fxjIa-0007OH-1w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2018 21:41:32 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=aol.com; s=a2048; t=1536198089; bh=RronA2dMIQEeAdM0IMVywW/p7C6dMf6f16E8kCKZSgc=; h=Date:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:From:From:Subject; b=NXW9OcMSqBI1U9mWIAgJv+fBftWGj8OowShUbLvjhBuiSRqWSmAGh3YhZ+h9NTb3t67iyVSTcGkj4DjI5gR9PXYkOMwOgPoYoRuaw0uJVH9STdHj8qdwlv177QoYNkPKGfkfya0FrmjVfJpdGie9I3pZC8GgSXipfGyDvgwxxkITJN/c+orwD2zo3tyIWuS+tElVXLEY+da23RkIAkilMeSCOzBbpQKTKzsegCTlK9/gOGfKtzwbcwPSxSu8qL4S/iBTTi/+yZdvbxjhtZOpM84VnV2LIJqINZjfzbBdbW0KgHEG6A8L7RK6eRmcxUpdN1uHo4Nt0+jKmL4Y6mjnMg== X-YMail-OSG: VVLdWUMVM1loVCbauyQAx9.SysB.BJ14C44rPGxYYE3lFVSgZoo2i6IBzmlws21 7YrlNMF0bCoZ7YX5VDLiH5PGK7ekc3B_9zNQU0gctFgkyOXseaH_ugA.jRnJ5FaRZfbilrGu4Jed kWHMKmvttTcjjngTScQhhPzpVgb4iAiGwN6P9oe43PAr6LYD7bqe6e5NM86z0j6.xfRIn_dyA8xT 9Ur1r_YOcgDhxs8G238EJ7Avot7GdrVbYIE6SedUHc8pam1srdWLPlE6n0oSTaedYQpj97iCvrg7 IikwY0sjTrchuoS.INP09Qwgcp8Ooekw818CKZIIzVaTO9Q32B7KaKSsGNT9uEGykumtrU.YePES YybLjAfNIC8DzS9C0Kh.zrSUJdOOtZZoY01UJtwhc1HKeML7f9kr123GdGJRG.hxUZTolJvHPFPt D_w7DKYxQJaVpbyQKxAnrtvy2axDeReOIFj7jcwskfIxkFnhT1jJaK24mP4ng5RhbgAUV6LK6ZsP VU.SZKbkZZYPoJ5AZWaNbtJPUJiSfgqdXj3hJc1Ub_4sj4n7rG2OhK4pWp7Yan9MOHL6m0GEP0DA QvvqqbrjfwqWN2_H0LRDXD9gqVBz3yP5XwyB.oA7hfBX4j1NuFOuyeYituIjdMqms5NqJrNfyfb2 ue7Baa.LVSx3YgrX4_T0lrt8_D_44FEPZIPzEG_qStlGDXff1kJdBEHcCeyXPJ6rGS0GVpGdXFyb ctoxGgIah4BWdPccXtjq4jF1n4A8OqzMUSA9cSgbfGjbaQgf2YBPzkrKUpCY2vqq45jxYyCbiBYH z8dfRH_tj7BhaAm3RHixGJxQ_cwT1fgHumvEqYCRu5 Original-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic305.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 01:41:29 +0000 Original-Received: from 2.152.205.184.dyn.user.ono.com (EHLO [192.168.1.6]) ([2.152.205.184]) by smtp409.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 5f564bdbe449ae36f369559725bff464; Thu, 06 Sep 2018 01:41:28 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87a7ov5um4.fsf@toy.adminart.net> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 77.238.177.83 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:229328 Archived-At: On 6 September 2018 03:11:08 CEST, hw wrote: >Paul Eggert writes: > >> hw wrote: >>> My first step with 'emacs -q' would be to make the menu fonts >larger=2E >>> As much as I like monospace fonts, the typewriter font used for the >text >>> was *really ugly* even 30 years ago=2E One look at Emacs with this >font >>> might turn most people away before they start reading anything=2E >> >> This matches my perception too, when I show Emacs to students=2E Emacs >> starts up in monospace font and that looks sooooo 1980s=2E > >not really > >I don't mean to say that there's something wrong with monospace fonts=2E >I prefer them for most things because they're monospace=2E > >We should ask a designer for some ideas about how to make Emacs look >better=2E We can also see what have succeded before, for example packages like power= line or fonts like Hacks or Cantarell=2E They have succeded independently o= f operative systems, editors or tools=2E The default color scheme, graphica= l or tui=2E These are the kind of initial things I wanted to ask to the new= user if there is not config file=2E If he dont want any help can get the d= efaults, else he could choose and the first impresion could be much much be= tter=2E