From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Peter Dyballa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: AltGr with Emacs 23 on OSX and German keyboard Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:18:42 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87aayq4ww1.fsf@usenet.my.skamphausen.de> <87k4xu3ej7.fsf@usenet.my.skamphausen.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=MACINTOSH; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1258122101 3255 80.91.229.12 (13 Nov 2009 14:21:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:21:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Stefan Kamphausen Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 13 15:21:34 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1N8x1p-0003C7-JM for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:21:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60004 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1N8x1o-0008IG-WB for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:21:33 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N8x1S-0008Hs-4u for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:21:10 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N8x1N-0008HK-Iq for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:21:09 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=58752 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1N8x1N-0008HB-GG for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:21:05 -0500 Original-Received: from fmmailgate02.web.de ([217.72.192.227]:53304) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1N8x1M-00007J-Vg for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:21:05 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp05.web.de (fmsmtp05.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.4.166]) by fmmailgate02.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63B161418F27D; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:18:51 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from [91.35.170.194] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by smtp05.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE 4.110 #314) id 1N8wzB-0002sR-00; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:18:49 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87k4xu3ej7.fsf@usenet.my.skamphausen.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Sender: Peter_Dyballa@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18NBUhNTm0iEMiGdWXbYCGdtTsQiOM5GHLTi7m0 rbRP2DtiPdWBTrGXbiR3DpjGZ/oSqLc12qh2zZhx29BPaD2RCh lR1khKJoJ/S51dZN5Yxg== X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:69713 Archived-At: Am 13.11.2009 um 11:27 schrieb Stefan Kamphausen: > However, I'm under the impression that X11 is nur running. I compiled > the native Cocoa-version of Emacs23 (or is Carbon the newer one? =20 > Sorry > to be fuzzy here). Could you be a bit more specific? You could describe the way you =20 launch that application =D0 or copy a bit from the buffer which is =20 created when you choose "Send Bug Report=C9" from the Help menu. BTW, =20= is this Help menu in Emacs' frame or in the =F0 menu bar? The X clients =20= can't "delegate" the menu-bar... > >> The utility xev can give you exact information about a key and X >> modifiers. > > Can I just launch X11 and then use xev to examine the keycodes? Of course! > Will that in any way reflect the situation of the native programs? No. You could try to create your own keyboard layout. See for example =20= http://wiki.neo-layout.org/browser/mac_osx/ or http://www.sil.org/=20 computing/catalog/show_software.asp?id=3D94. Surely there are more =20 tools to edit the keyboard layout, which is very easy in Mac OS X. =20 You might need Peter Maurer's Key Codes application: http://=20 www.manytricks.com/keycodes to determine the Mac OS X key codes. -- Mit friedvollen Gr=9F=A7en Pete Wer nichts zu verbergen hat, hat schon alles verloren. (Juli Zeh)