From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r102688: Minor clean up to silence somegcc warnings. Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 07:31:27 -0800 Message-ID: References: <87k4j6t2fm.fsf@elegiac.orebokech.com> <87fwts3m6q.fsf@gmail.com> <87ei9c34sr.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1292859153 31888 80.91.229.12 (20 Dec 2010 15:32:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:32:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Eli Zaretskii' , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "'Chong Yidong'" , "'Stefan Monnier'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 20 16:32:28 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PUhit-0003uX-IG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:32:27 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55136 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PUhis-0004aJ-Ub for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:32:27 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=35721 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PUhie-0004ZI-WE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:32:13 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PUhic-0001Jj-Ty for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:32:12 -0500 Original-Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]:51182) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PUhic-0001JD-Ou; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:32:10 -0500 Original-Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id oBKFW8qu023369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:32:09 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt355.oracle.com (acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id oBKFW5sJ012931; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:32:06 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt010.oracle.com by acsmt354.oracle.com with ESMTP id 890022921292859085; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 07:31:25 -0800 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.223.86) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 07:31:24 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcugUPR/IeysO6m5SUeH7oi5s7kSMwAB8P7g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 In-Reply-To: <87ei9c34sr.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:133841 Archived-At: > > In any case, the way forward is to stop using ChangeLog files. > > I still find the ChangeLog rather useful. Occasional extra > verbiage in the bzr diffs and an extra minute's editing work > when merging branches is not a large price to pay. And Emacs users often want to or sometimes need to understand the source code, and sometimes across versions. And users who write Elisp code sometimes want to understand development changes within a given release cycle. Users deserve the source code, including its comments (which often reflect on implementation or design). Likewise its change logs (ditto). Users should not need to access BZR or any other v-c interface to get access to the change-log info. Delivering it as part of Emacs helps users. Beyond delivering it with Emacs, making it available via http also helps - as in http://repo.or.cz/w/emacs.git/tree/HEAD:/lisp (or http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/emacs/trunk/files/head%3A/lisp/, which doesn't work as well). Change-log info is meta-info about the code and its behavior, just like comments and doc and NEWS are. Please keep it accessible to users locally, as part of their Emacs installation/delivery.