* bug#31589: lispintro - Backtrace read out update
@ 2018-05-25 3:32 Van L
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2018-05-25 8:37 ` bug#31589: lispintro - Backtrace read out update Eli Zaretskii
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From: Van L @ 2018-05-25 3:32 UTC (permalink / raw
To: 31589
Hello.
The documentation and behavior are different.
diff --git a/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi b/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi
index b79432e..a3a2155 100644
--- a/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi
+++ b/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi
@@ -1339,10 +1339,12 @@ Making Errors
---------- Buffer: *Backtrace* ----------
Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function this)
(this is an unquoted list)
- eval((this is an unquoted list))
- eval-last-sexp-1(nil)
+ eval((this is an unquoted list) nil)
+ elisp--eval-last-sexp(nil)
eval-last-sexp(nil)
- call-interactively(eval-last-sexp)
+ funcall-interactively(eval-last-sexp nil)
+ call-interactively(eval-last-sexp nil nil)
+ command-execute(eval-last-sexp)
---------- Buffer: *Backtrace* ----------
@end group
@end smallexample
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* bug#31589: Acknowledgement (lispintro - Backtrace read out update)
[not found] ` <handler.31589.B.15272191445973.ack@debbugs.gnu.org>
@ 2018-05-25 4:21 ` Van L
2018-05-25 8:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
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From: Van L @ 2018-05-25 4:21 UTC (permalink / raw
To: 31589
In the example given, I think if the first atom of the list is `this-here’, as in:
(this-here is an unquoted list)
explained in the context of `(void-function this-here)’ stands out distinctly from other uses of `this’ in the surrounding text.
: 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1318) (this is an unquoted list)
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* bug#31589: lispintro - Backtrace read out update
2018-05-25 3:32 bug#31589: lispintro - Backtrace read out update Van L
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@ 2018-05-25 8:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
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From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-05-25 8:37 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Van L; +Cc: 31589-done
> From: Van L <van@scratch.space>
> Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 13:32:02 +1000
>
> The documentation and behavior are different.
Thanks, fixed.
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* bug#31589: Acknowledgement (lispintro - Backtrace read out update)
2018-05-25 4:21 ` bug#31589: Acknowledgement (lispintro - Backtrace read out update) Van L
@ 2018-05-25 8:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-05-25 8:59 ` Van L
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From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-05-25 8:39 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Van L; +Cc: 31589
> From: Van L <van@scratch.space>
> Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 14:21:24 +1000
>
> In the example given, I think if the first atom of the list is `this-here’, as in:
>
> (this-here is an unquoted list)
>
> explained in the context of `(void-function this-here)’ stands out distinctly from other uses of `this’ in the surrounding text.
>
> : 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris 2007-09-06 1318) (this is an unquoted list)
Sorry, I don't understand what you are trying to say. The string
"this-here" doesn't appear anywhere in this manual. And 'this' is a
commonly-used symbol in these days of OOP.
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* bug#31589: Acknowledgement (lispintro - Backtrace read out update)
2018-05-25 8:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2018-05-25 8:59 ` Van L
2018-05-25 9:58 ` Phil Sainty
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From: Van L @ 2018-05-25 8:59 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 31589
> On 25 May 2018, at 18:39, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
>
> And 'this' is a
> commonly-used symbol in these days of OOP.
Yes. That’s one of the two sources of confusion, the other is the plain old English `this’ used in the unquoted list and surrounding discussion.
Having `this-here’ emphasizes the first atom of the list being discussed as distinct from `this' in an oop sense or ordinary `this' in a sentence. It bends over backwards more for a non-programmer.
Anyway, your call.
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* bug#31589: Acknowledgement (lispintro - Backtrace read out update)
2018-05-25 8:59 ` Van L
@ 2018-05-25 9:58 ` Phil Sainty
2018-05-25 10:37 ` Van L
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From: Phil Sainty @ 2018-05-25 9:58 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Van L; +Cc: 31589, bug-gnu-emacs
On 2018-05-25 20:59, Van L wrote:
> Having `this-here’ emphasizes the first atom of the list being
> discussed as distinct from `this' in an oop sense or ordinary `this'
> in a sentence. It bends over backwards more for a non-programmer.
A bit awkward, though?
I think "(here is an unquoted list)" would be nicer than that, if
such a change was to be made.
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* bug#31589: Acknowledgement (lispintro - Backtrace read out update)
2018-05-25 9:58 ` Phil Sainty
@ 2018-05-25 10:37 ` Van L
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From: Van L @ 2018-05-25 10:37 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Phil Sainty; +Cc: 31589, bug-gnu-emacs
> Phil Sainty writes:
>
> Van L writes:
>> Having `this-here’ emphasizes the first atom of the list being
>> discussed as distinct from `this' in an oop sense or ordinary `this'
>> in a sentence. It bends over backwards more for a non-programmer.
>
> A bit awkward, though?
>
> I think "(here is an unquoted list)" would be nicer than that, if
> such a change was to be made.
Not awkward in the following context, which has the hyphenated `void-function’.
(void-function this-here)
Looks nicer to me.
It hints of being lispy.
hmmm, yeah, this works, too, and won’t add more.
(void-function here)
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