Should 'QUOTE' turn off in-buffer mark-up?

Should 'QUOTE' turn off in-buffer mark-up?

[Daniel J. Sinder]

I just cut-and-pasted a table from the IETF RTP RFC into orgmode as follows:

* QUOTE RTP Header Format
   0                   1                   2                   3
   0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
   |V=2|P|X|  CC   |M|     PT      |       sequence number         |
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
   |                           timestamp                           |
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
   |           synchronization source (SSRC) identifier            |
   +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
   |            contributing source (CSRC) identifiers             |
   |                             ....                              |
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

The orgmode markup rules make this a bit of a mess.  Actually, at least 
the content is undisturbed here, but I've seen worse -- for example, an 
otherwise well formatted table in which the columns have phone numbers 
with country codes starting with '+'.  This leads to strikeout marks 
that actually strike through the cell contents!

So, would it make sense to turn off in-buffer markup under headings 
marked with the QUOTE keyword? Of course, prefixing every line with ':' 
has the desired effect, so there is an existing work-around, but 
requiring the prefix seems to make 'QUOTE' not very powerful/useful.

(I can't find 'QUOTE' in the documentation now, so maybe this feature 
has been deprecated?  But, #+BEGIN/END_EXAMPLE has the same problem.)

Dan

Re: Should 'QUOTE' turn off in-buffer mark-up?

[Carsten Dominik]

On Jun 1, 2009, at 11:38 PM, Daniel J. Sinder wrote:

> I just cut-and-pasted a table from the IETF RTP RFC into orgmode as  
> follows:
>
> * QUOTE RTP Header Format
>  0                   1                   2                   3
>  0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
>  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>  |V=2|P|X|  CC   |M|     PT      |       sequence number         |
>  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>  |                           timestamp                           |
>  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>  |           synchronization source (SSRC) identifier            |
>  +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
>  |            contributing source (CSRC) identifiers             |
>  |                             ....                              |
>  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>
> The orgmode markup rules make this a bit of a mess.  Actually, at  
> least the content is undisturbed here, but I've seen worse -- for  
> example, an otherwise well formatted table in which the columns have  
> phone numbers with country codes starting with '+'.  This leads to  
> strikeout marks that actually strike through the cell contents!
>
> So, would it make sense to turn off in-buffer markup under headings  
> marked with the QUOTE keyword? Of course, prefixing every line with  
> ':' has the desired effect, so there is an existing work-around, but  
> requiring the prefix seems to make 'QUOTE' not very powerful/useful.

Indeed, QUOTE is useless and therefore has been removed from the docs.

>
> (I can't find 'QUOTE' in the documentation now, so maybe this  
> feature has been deprecated?  But, #+BEGIN/END_EXAMPLE has the same  
> problem.)

Not anymore.

- Carsten