From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Reitter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs on OS X development Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 18:19:38 -0400 Message-ID: References: <33545A47-0907-4059-92A6-0343CEDD2750@swipnet.se> <869E965F-CD75-46D6-92BB-B3C08C8D846B@swipnet.se> <87fw8t7siv.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1342390790 18319 80.91.229.3 (15 Jul 2012 22:19:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 22:19:50 +0000 (UTC) To: Emacs developers Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 16 00:19:50 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SqXAJ-0006o5-Cc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 00:19:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54706 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SqXAI-0001UC-Hj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 18:19:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33297) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SqXAG-0001Tw-1d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 18:19:44 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SqXAE-0008K7-Ts for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 18:19:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qa0-f41.google.com ([209.85.216.41]:42527) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SqXAE-0008K1-P3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 18:19:42 -0400 Original-Received: by qabg27 with SMTP id g27so1355124qab.0 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:19:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=+Dj1n4FyE4qbW6JeLJnSOmvSRBSLJD4cwRiTdhKCMis=; b=M3NCVJ489fQksVZU1gyRMczalJDdQ5kK9a/aZC8a3LDTYxw8RCr9oYGVWHSmisoVoW eZDIqZzce25fifZMawZZtqD3vzFODBvMpqtPUlnCkaYMHBksgVURYtwM4vC0p9y8QoEP TwBYA4Yjb+1k6qA1HdHEcIBTynSTCswKVOCHGeMMoCIJ/Fa4mLFuSu8Hl2uClfBh0X9w W5vkzNPL7NjlbWqa7j7SbYhiLfdV+C0eGJFeC8RL3Yvi4pbRDW2auqzkbsfSjOE9HYOI J8AinroAbgTTKZTQ1ITIXgm2X/RcDUjGlJswkHIphznXnfGFT39yv892tfiiRySVCMBC dEUQ== Original-Received: by 10.224.187.6 with SMTP id cu6mr17523082qab.63.1342390781428; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:19:41 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [10.0.0.10] (pool-74-98-50-173.pitbpa.east.verizon.net. [74.98.50.173]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gy9sm20378936qab.22.2012.07.15.15.19.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:19:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87fw8t7siv.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 209.85.216.41 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:151641 Archived-At: On Jul 14, 2012, at 8:54 PM, Chong Yidong wrote: > Now, the problem is that the quality of the Cocoa port has not been > improving as quickly as I'd like. But this is essentially because = most > active Emacs hackers don't work on Mac OS, and those that do are > interested in working on stuff other than the Cocoa code.=20 I've been using the NS port in Aquamacs for a long time, and it's = actually quite usable for us. Of course I had to work around certain issues (ispell), and I receive a = good number of crash reports (but not more than would be reasonably = expected from some 14,000 daily users). I wish some of these things = could be addressed.=20 The Emacs project has made a commitment to the NS port, and that's what = is important to me as a downstream user. The NS port is also very = patchable due to its consequent use of Objective C APIs and some = object-oriented code. Given my deep respect for YM's qualities as a = coder, I sincerely hope that he can one day combine the AppKit portion = of his port with the NS port (and leave the Carbon APIs behind).