From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com> Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: C-j considered harmful (not really) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:51:36 -0800 Message-ID: <C2162C0B03FE4407A7C871DCBB5E1D3F@us.oracle.com> References: <912155b0911161437l7d5d5d3h790edff279fdad7a@mail.gmail.com><7b501d5c0911161451s3e54e48dve127bd144f2affc8@mail.gmail.com><877htpjwd4.fsf@mail.jurta.org><912155b0911221236t7cebbb35n4bc10805bb685c1e@mail.gmail.com><jwvvdh22btj.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org><87zl6dk2pz.fsf@mail.jurta.org><F531921AB3E74524B20637B314693C6B@us.oracle.com> <87bpisouau.fsf@mail.jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1259086240 4723 80.91.229.12 (24 Nov 2009 18:10:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:10:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?'Per_Starb=E4ck'?= <per@starback.se>, emacs-devel@gnu.org, 'Stefan Monnier' <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>, 'Deniz Dogan' <deniz.a.m.dogan@gmail.com> To: "'Juri Linkov'" <juri@jurta.org> Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 24 19:10:32 2009 Return-path: <emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org> Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NCzqQ-0002LJ-8n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:10:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45396 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NCzqP-0001mD-IK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:10:29 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NCzYS-0002ZU-Db for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:51:56 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NCzYN-0002SL-Me for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:51:55 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=38455 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NCzYM-0002SB-Ut for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:51:51 -0500 Original-Received: from rcsinet12.oracle.com ([148.87.113.124]:33234 helo=rgminet12.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <drew.adams@oracle.com>) id 1NCzYM-000470-ES for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:51:50 -0500 Original-Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rgminet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id nAOHpdWn031981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:51:40 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt353.oracle.com (acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id nAOHphEv002264; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:51:44 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt014.oracle.com by acsmt358.oracle.com with ESMTP id 575475681259085094; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:51:34 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/24.5.185.59) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:51:33 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87bpisouau.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Thread-Index: AcptKcRsgG+ZOiL+SMysdj/a6Y/cBwABEWtQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Source-IP: acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090205.4B0C1D2E.014B:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel>, <mailto:emacs-devel-request@gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.gnu.org/pipermail/emacs-devel> List-Post: <mailto:emacs-devel@gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:emacs-devel-request@gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel>, <mailto:emacs-devel-request@gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117693 Archived-At: <http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/117693> > > `C-j' _IS_ newline. OK, some people don't know that. But > > most programmers of UNIX, Linux, C, etc. do know it, and > > others can surely learn it - no biggee. It > > is elegant to use the key to self-insert, the same way it > > is elegant to use the key `a' to insert an `a' character. > > Fine, but note that `C-j' already has different > non-self-insert-newline semantics in other modes: I did not say that `C-j' should _always_ be self-inserting. The same is true for `a' or `A' and so on - such keys are often bound to other commands in various modes.