From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Peter Dyballa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs,gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs Subject: bug#2041: 23.0.60; strange behaviour of Emacs.app with -q Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:49:56 +0100 Message-ID: Reply-To: Peter Dyballa , 2041@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1232885093 28177 80.91.229.12 (25 Jan 2009 12:04:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:04:53 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 25 13:06:06 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LR3jW-0006hR-1c for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 13:04:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35268 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LR3iE-0006sz-9A for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 07:03:38 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LR3i8-0006p3-Tj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 07:03:32 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LR3i8-0006nx-6Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 07:03:32 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=58558 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LR3i7-0006nq-S0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 07:03:31 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:56090) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LR3i6-0008DY-Vm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 07:03:31 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n0PC3TW9008435; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 04:03:29 -0800 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id n0PC03l6007230; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 04:00:03 -0800 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Peter Dyballa Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:00:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 2041 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.12328842095373 (code B ref -1); Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:00:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 25 Jan 2009 11:50:09 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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When I launch Emacs.app as 'nextstep/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs -=20 q --debug-init &' it shows a somehow regular behaviour, positioning =20 the initial frame at (0,0) and having an opaque frame with white =20 background. When I remove ~/.emacs and launch GNU Emacs as 'nextstep/=20 Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs --debug-init &' (no -q needed since I =20 don't have a user-init-file, not even default.el or ~/.emacs.d/init) =20 it shows an irregular behaviour, positioning the initial frame with a =20= particular size and a font at a point given wich are all given by =20 initial-frame-alist, and having a completely transparent frame with =20 not existing background: when I click at it I select the application =20 behind it, even when I pick a text. The X client version does not have such a 'memory' =96 although it =20 follows X defaults, which are different from what Emacs.app shows. In GNU Emacs 23.0.60.1 (powerpc-apple-darwin8.11.0, NS apple-=20 appkit-824.48) of 2009-01-25 on localhost Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 10.3.824 configured using `configure '--without-sound' '--without-pop' '--=20 with-dbus' '--with-libotf' '--with-ns' '--disable-ns-self-contained' =20 '--enable-locallisppath=3D/Library/Application Support/Emacs/=20 calendar23:/Library/Application Support/Emacs' 'PKG_CONFIG_PATH=3D/sw/=20= lib/xft2/lib/pkgconfig:/sw/lib/fontconfig2/lib/pkgconfig:/sw/lib/=20 freetype219/lib/pkgconfig:/sw/lib/pango-ft219/lib/pkgconfig:/sw/lib/=20 qt4-x11/lib/pkgconfig:/sw/lib/system-openssl/lib/pkgconfig:/sw/lib/=20 pkgconfig:/sw/share/pkgconfig:/usr/X11R6/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/lib/=20= pkgconfig:/usr/lib/pkgconfig' 'CFLAGS=3D-Wno-pointer-sign -bind_at_load =20= -H -pipe -fPIC -mcpu=3D7450 -mtune=3D7450 -fast -mpim-altivec -ftree-=20 vectorize -foptimize-register-move -freorder-blocks -freorder-blocks-=20 and-partition -fthread-jumps -fpeephole -fno-crossjumping' 'CPPFLAGS=3D-=20= no-cpp-precomp' 'LDFLAGS=3D-bind_at_load -dead_strip -multiply_defined =20= suppress -L/sw/lib/ncurses'' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: de_DE.UTF-8 value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default-enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Fundamental Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t global-auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t -- Greetings Pete Think of XML as Lisp for COBOL programmers. - Tony-A (some guy on /.)