From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jan_Dj=E4rv?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Yet another discussion on improving the first time user experience Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 16:11:25 +0200 Message-ID: References: <523ED74D.4030205@online.de> <87ioxs4zc9.fsf@informatimago.com> <87k3i8vj93.fsf@yandex.ru> <83bo3kk6hh.fsf@gnu.org> <87eh8gzee5.fsf@yandex.ru> <871u4go1bp.fsf@gmail.com> <837ge8jalb.fsf@gnu.org> <83txhbiyts.fsf@gnu.org> <83siwviwao.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_9C1EFF69-37B4-4D0F-89DB-58C4631B854A" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1380031900 20161 80.91.229.3 (24 Sep 2013 14:11:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 14:11:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alp Aker , Emacs-Devel devel , Jay Belanger , Brief Busters , Pascal Bourguignon , Eli Zaretskii To: Lennart Borgman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 24 16:11:42 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VOTL3-0002z3-61 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 16:11:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46269 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VOTL2-0001OM-No for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 10:11:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34253) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VOTKt-0001NT-H3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 10:11:38 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VOTKm-0007qy-Ph for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 10:11:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mail01.bdtv.se ([176.10.222.34]:54763) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VOTKm-0007qV-Ds for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 10:11:24 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 4358 invoked by uid 89); 24 Sep 2013 14:11:22 -0000 Original-Received: from h-46-59-42-57.na.cust.bahnhof.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) (boel.djarv@bdtv.se@46.59.42.57) by mail01.bdtv.se with ESMTPA; 24 Sep 2013 14:11:22 -0000 Original-Received: from [172.20.199.13] (unknown [172.20.199.13]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 79A971A0235; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 14:11:22 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 176.10.222.34 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:163606 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail=_9C1EFF69-37B4-4D0F-89DB-58C4631B854A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello. 24 sep 2013 kl. 14:35 skrev Lennart Borgman : > On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Alp Aker = wrote: > >> That would be so wrong for new users on OSX. >=20 > > Please educate me, Jan. Does not OSX use some variant CUA by = default? >=20 > It uses a different modifier. >=20 > Thanks, I see. Did you have something else in mind, Jan? Is there any = obstacle having cua-mode on by default on OSX No, I did not have anything else in mind. The OSX equivalents to C-c, = C-v, C-x. C-z (i.e. Cmd-C, Cmd-v, Cmd-x, Cmd-z) and more already work as = they do in other OSX applications in Emacs. Turning on CUA mode per = default is just wrong on OSX, nobody uses those keybindings for = copy/paste et.al. Jan D. --Apple-Mail=_9C1EFF69-37B4-4D0F-89DB-58C4631B854A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hello.

24 sep 2013 kl. 14:35 skrev Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>:

On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Alp Aker <alptekin.aker@gmail.com> wrote:
>> That would be so wrong for new users on OSX.

> Please educate me, Jan. Does not OSX use some variant CUA by default?

It uses a different modifier.

Thanks, I see. Did you have something else in mind, Jan? Is there any obstacle having cua-mode on by default on OSX

No, I did not have anything else in mind.  The OSX equivalents to C-c, C-v, C-x. C-z (i.e. Cmd-C, Cmd-v, Cmd-x, Cmd-z) and more already work as they do in other OSX applications in Emacs.  Turning on CUA mode per default is just wrong on OSX, nobody uses those keybindings for copy/paste et.al.

Jan D.

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