From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Peter Dyballa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: OS X System Key Combinations Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 23:41:15 +0200 Message-ID: References: <1EA19D66-31FD-4ED6-89FA-4B6341AB0F6D@bearingthenews.com> <38A8217B-609D-4E84-8C83-0E0995210C87@Web.DE> <4B52EE08-631D-4D8A-946F-C9D4CC1F08B6@bearingthenews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1369172502 25147 80.91.229.3 (21 May 2013 21:41:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 21:41:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" To: tshanno@bearingthenews.com Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 21 23:41:42 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UeuJQ-0001kD-UD for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 May 2013 23:41:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52857 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UeuJQ-0002yu-4O for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 May 2013 17:41:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58541) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UeuJA-0002xi-0i for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 21 May 2013 17:41:28 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UeuJ4-0002Zi-Mq for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 21 May 2013 17:41:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.3]:56947) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UeuJ4-0002ZF-DV for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 21 May 2013 17:41:18 -0400 Original-Received: from sumac.fritz.box ([95.223.131.144]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb101) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0LfRnJ-1U7T9R2XgP-00ouqF; Tue, 21 May 2013 23:41:17 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4B52EE08-631D-4D8A-946F-C9D4CC1F08B6@bearingthenews.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:7F1qNhfLGLq+p3A23z1QXmCFAfAouKCB02ff5MUv/ld 3mz/reB55cUm2xWIQe1PQ9jcAhRR3t79L+3r3fNQwBOxPgVbke 0fVKVdb14Joyh2ZsTsjiAI8k6ASCgb3rsKJ7uK7eocJumW2C42 1Ilkl6JYDoo1n/HiawmuU+M24VUYNpL2i0yv4yNOgX5YuXaRJz KJAahbPyHgjsffYLEjrTg== X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.15.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:90964 Archived-At: Am 21.05.2013 um 23:18 schrieb tshanno@bearingthenews.com: > http://emacsformacosx.com >=20 > As far as I know the X server on my system is not running. At least = not of the type I've used for almost 20 years under Linux. It doesn't = say it explicitly on the website but it certainly looks like it is, = indeed, the "AppKit Emacs". No, it looks like the NS variant from the unpatched GNU Emacs 24.3.50 = sources. It will report on M-x emacs-version RET something like: GNU Emacs 24.3.50 (i386-apple-darwin10.8.0, NS = apple-appkit-1038.36) of 2013-05-20 on =E2=80=A6 ** The "AppKit Emacs", with a history as Carbon Emacs, will report = something like this: GNU Emacs 23.4.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin10.8.0, Carbon Version = 1.6.0 AppKit 1038.36) of 2012-09-11 on =E2=80=A6 ****** >=20 > I take it from your response that this should, indeed, be passing the = key combinations through to the system using this version of Emacs and = that there is something wrong with my installation. Is that correct? It should. But both Emacsen change the meaning of the alt, cmd, and = maybe more keys by default. With C-h k you can find out what alt-a and = cmd-a are and you can also look via Emacs -> Services from the =EF=A3=BF = menu bar at the services your Emacs sees. The modifier keys I mentioned = have, presumingly, names like ns-alternate-modifier This variable describes the behavior of the alternate or = option key. ns-command-modifier This variable describes the behavior of the command key. ns-control-modifier This variable describes the behavior of the control key. ns-function-modifier This variable describes the behavior of the function key (on laptops). ns-option-modifier ns-right-alternate-modifier This variable describes the behavior of the right alternate = or option key. ns-right-command-modifier This variable describes the behavior of the right command = key. ns-right-control-modifier This variable describes the behavior of the right control = key. ns-right-option-modifier Have you recorded your key combinations in System Preferences in a way = that the Emacs applications do have knowledge of them? -- Mit friedvollen Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fen Pete The world would be a better place if Larry Wall had been born in = Iceland, or any other country where the native language actually has = syntax. =E2=80=93 Peter da Silva