From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Francis Belliveau Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Modifier Keys and the Archaic Meta Key Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 16:12:06 -0400 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38982"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Help Gnu Emacs Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 25 21:13:11 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kWmO6-000A3I-Rr for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 25 Oct 2020 21:13:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55360 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kWmO5-000635-SF for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 25 Oct 2020 16:13:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41604) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kWmNW-00062b-7d for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Oct 2020 16:12:34 -0400 Original-Received: from resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net ([2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:37]:47128 helo=resqmta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kWmNT-0002R5-1z for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Oct 2020 16:12:33 -0400 Original-Received: from resomta-ch2-18v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.114]) by resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id Wm4OkBQAQfg8hWmNRk7EM5; Sun, 25 Oct 2020 20:12:29 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=20190202a; t=1603656749; bh=vDXk1f0HY0w+DW41A59OB4ngt3dj7z6RzCtvvs+7O5M=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:Date: Message-Id; b=WzgRsa33WITj4QR8KGK9NZol6WP2umrVtSnS31uarJCH6tzazPB/guDCZJD1n006N kTyUZL4h81fmfsATd3iqdil2th4wDJ9mHduhmHNUPeYzpa2mNHSDJBIn+sw5M/Txx+ hCT3C+xADK4jQiOgu6C47/hI2KLa7oAC+JHJKUGcNkXZGiEG7ER24TMYG1j4qaLSzE KvN6tvsTfumzVEZs0+ZBGpFRQTb3+32gJ7BUUmVK01oLLEDledpJurrPn6qxq2wKQZ ppaf9DNoZ3HXS+q0lPZGePGUfobwafveZvb/iFGBJMxA/jGqiwymmaqGYdZiRHOLQ6 NPVMM7uMgntwA== Original-Received: from [192.168.1.105] ([73.119.168.97]) by resomta-ch2-18v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPSA id WmN6kIW4yNfeBWmNQkpgod; Sun, 25 Oct 2020 20:12:28 +0000 X-Xfinity-VAAS: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedujedrkeeggddufeeiucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuvehomhgtrghsthdqtfgvshhipdfqfgfvpdfpqffurfetoffkrfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedtudenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnehmihhsshhinhhgucfvqfcufhhivghlugculdeftddmnecujfgurheptggguffhrfgjfffgkfhfofesthhqmhdthhdtvdenucfhrhhomhephfhrrghntghishcuuegvlhhlihhvvggruhcuoehfrdgsvghllhhivhgvrghusegtohhmtggrshhtrdhnvghtqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeekudeuteffjeeigfegkeeutdelhfeuhfdtheefiefgteffgfffueefjeeggedvffenucfkphepjeefrdduudelrdduieekrdeljeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhephhgvlhhopegludelvddrudeikedruddruddthegnpdhinhgvthepjeefrdduudelrdduieekrdeljedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehfrdgsvghllhhivhgvrghusegtohhmtggrshhtrdhnvghtpdhrtghpthhtohephhgvlhhpqdhgnhhuqdgvmhgrtghssehgnhhurdhorhhg X-Xfinity-VMeta: sc=-70.00;st=legit X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:37; envelope-from=f.belliveau@comcast.net; helo=resqmta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/25 16:12:29 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = ??? X-Spam_score_int: -10 X-Spam_score: -1.1 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MISSING_HEADERS=1.021, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:124713 Archived-At: > On Oct 25, 2020, at 09:46, Christopher Dimech wrote: >=20 > Rather than referring to the five principal Modifier Key, > immediately by Key Mnemonics, it is more useful to have > a name for them categorised by priority. >=20 > The Five Principal Modifier Keys can be called Control, > Alternate, Hyper, Shift, Super, then associate any mnemonic > one wants (Ctrl, Ctl) (Meta, Alt, Esc). It seems to me that only makes sense on your keyboard, not mine. I have no problem with allowing users the ability to define other = modifier keys, but that would likely require the underlying code to = support more morifier bits that is does currently. > It is recognised that the Control Modifier Key and the=20 > Meta Modifier Key are exclusively and most widely used > Modifier Keys for Emacs Built-In Keybindings. Consequently > I group them together, one call it Control, whilst the other > as Alternate Control. It makes the use of key much more precise. =20= >=20 > Consequently the Alternate Control Modifier Key would simply > be associated with Alt, but to the key as Priority 2, which > can be Alt, Esc, etc.=20 That seems like adding a lot of words with no real value-added. If = there are no keyboards in existance today with a key labeled Meta, then = the meaning is clear that it is the other modifier key without needing = to resort to excessive verbosity. > I agree of the utility of possibly more Modifier Keys. However, = sticking > with officially Five Major Modifier Key for now is adequate. I = customarily > use Mechanical Keyboards with Colemak Key Variation, and have to = rebind certain > Key Sequences that are built-in into Emacs. I also remap the order of = keys > from (C, s, M) to (s, M, C). In this way priority increases from = right to > left. The C Key is mapped to the key immediately to the left of the = space bar > as in the original setup of the Lisp Keyboards. However I do not = simply switch > the Meta and Control Key as many have done, but organise the Keymaps = by priority > going outward. >=20 On my keyboard the keys are labeled (center to left) space, command, = alt/option, control, function. Depending on Emacs version the Meta key seems to change between Command = and Option, I tend to adapt. However, I am getting to like using option = since it is distinct from the OS use of command. Option seems to be an = application-specific modifier whereas Command has OS utility. As far as = I know the Function key is an OS-level key that modifies the keystrokes = sent to the application, bnut I could be wrong. Fran