From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: generate 3) S-mouse-2: follow link in new window Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:21:02 -0700 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1190928136 15422 80.91.229.12 (27 Sep 2007 21:22:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:22:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: juri@jurta.org, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 27 23:22:12 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Ib0oE-0001j2-5a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:22:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ib0oA-0003al-NJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:22:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ib0o6-0003ag-Om for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:22:02 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ib0o3-0003aU-8a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:22:01 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ib0o3-0003aR-3K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:21:59 -0400 Original-Received: from agminet01.oracle.com ([141.146.126.228]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ib0ny-0005cq-Lg; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:21:54 -0400 Original-Received: from rgmgw2.us.oracle.com (rgmgw2.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.111]) by agminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id l8RLLIBH003505; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:21:18 -0500 Original-Received: from acsmt351.oracle.com (acsmt351.oracle.com [141.146.40.151]) by rgmgw2.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.2.4) with ESMTP id l8RLB1ta029550; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:21:16 -0600 Original-Received: from dhcp-4op11-4op12-west-130-35-178-158.us.oracle.com by acsmt350.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3251367841190928053; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:20:53 -0700 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-reply-to: X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:79966 Archived-At: > "Bearable" and getting "bitten on a somewhat regular basis" hardly > constitute a ringing endorsement. I wouldn't buy an insect > repellent based on that testimonial. ;-) > > This feature was set up as it is to provide compatibility with many > other graphical interfaces. We expected this to be good for > beginners. If helps beginners start using Emacs, it is worth keeping. > Experienced people can customize it. > > Whether it really achieves that goal, I don't know. It would be nice > to get some real data about that, but that is not a trivial task. Here's a thought - Have `ask' be the default value of `mouse-1-click-follows-link', and have a behavior similar to that of `disable-command': If the value is `ask', then the first time (only) that a user clicks a link with `mouse-1', s?he is asked this: "You have clicked a link using `mouse-1'. In Emacs, clicking `mouse-2' follows links, and `mouse-1' has other uses. Do you also want clicking `mouse-1' to follow links?" If the answer is "yes", then the value is changed to 450 (the current default value). Otherwise, it is changed to nil. The new value is saved (Customize). A message echoes the new value and the option name, for future reference. This behavior has these advantages: * It tells the user which button `mouse-1' is ("You have clicked..."). * It makes the user aware of what the choices are and what the variable is that governs them. * It requires an explicit user choice. It does so at the right time: first link click. * It states that `mouse-2' is standard for following links and it will continue to follow links in any case. It does not explicitly refer to any disadvantages for `mouse-1' following links, but `mouse-2' as the "standard" might lead some new users to give it a try. Many new users are open to learning the Emacs way. * It has zero impact on anyone who has already customized the option. It has negligeable impact on anyone who has not - a user need answer the question at most once. WDOT?