From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: generate 3) S-mouse-2: follow link in new window Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:37:12 -0700 Message-ID: References: <85d4w07ctw.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1191195466 28415 80.91.229.12 (30 Sep 2007 23:37:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 23:37:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "David Kastrup" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 01 01:37:42 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Ic8M1-0001uN-7K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 01:37:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ic8Lx-00058s-F7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 19:37:37 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ic8Lu-000572-G3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 19:37:34 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ic8Lr-0004zJ-1N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 19:37:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ic8Lq-0004yy-ON for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 19:37:30 -0400 Original-Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ic8Lm-0002b2-IS; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 19:37:26 -0400 Original-Received: from rgmgw2.us.oracle.com (rgmgw2.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.111]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id l8UNbOg6014601; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:37:24 -0600 Original-Received: from acsmt351.oracle.com (acsmt351.oracle.com [141.146.40.151]) by rgmgw2.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.2.4) with ESMTP id l8UMMrDS004145; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:37:23 -0600 Original-Received: from dhcp-amer-csvpn-gw1-141-144-64-133.vpn.oracle.com by acsmt350.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3255983301191195408; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:36:48 -0700 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <85d4w07ctw.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:80068 Archived-At: > >> but rather force the user to configure things > >> and make permanent decisions > > ... > >> permanently reconfigure the user's Emacs, > >> taking his choice from him in future. > > ... > >> casting this decision in stone [from your preceding mail] > > > > Permanent decisions? Permanently reconfigure? Nothing permanent > > about it. Stop your scare tactics, please. By your same logic, such > > a "permanent decision" is made now by you for the user - before s?he > > even starts up. > > A beginner does not _want_ to make semi-permanent decisions before > getting acquainted with the system. >From "permanent" to "semi-permanent" - that's progress. Soon maybe you will recognize that there's nothing semi-, quasi-, or in even the slightest bit permanent about it. It's simply a customizable setting, just as it is today. Help the user be aware of that setting the first time s?he tries to use mouse-1 for a link - that's the idea.